B&H says Fuji Neopan 1600 is discontinued, local reps say so too...

hpulley · Oct 16, 2010

Maybe the Press 1600 as well. I want 35mm. Anyone else hear they've been discontinued for real? They continue to be listed on Fuji's website. Guess it's time to buy as many Pro packs as I can find. Am I the last one to know?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...79_Neopan_1600_135_36_Professional_Black.html

Fujifilm Neopan-1600 135-36 Professional Black & White Print Film

USA B&H # FUN160036 Mfr # 10348579

Discontinued

Important Notice! This item has been discontinued by the manufacturer and is no longer available.

perkeleellinen · Oct 16, 2010

It's no longer being imported into Europe, it's been missing from Fuji UK's website for some months. I don't think there's been a definitive global announcement, but then there rarely is with these things, stock just seems to wither away slowly...

AgX · Oct 16, 2010

See also this thread:

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

And have a look at the photo of the Fuji display.

hpulley · Oct 16, 2010

Sad but true it seems. I'm being told the 1600 color neg is also discontinued, will see otherwise I'll just have to scrounge. Thanks.

RMD · Oct 16, 2010

Fuji Europe are still listing 35mm neopan 1600 :
http://products.fujifilm.eu/product...photographic_film/general.html?index=10000036

And 35mm still listed as in stock at the following :

http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=777_1&products_id=5801

http://www.fujilab.co.uk/catalog/fujifilm-neopan-1600-35mm-highspeed-black-white-film-p-640.html

http://www.jacobsdigital.co.uk/index.php?target=products&product_id=41969

Dead Link Removed

http://www.mailshotsuk.co.uk/acatalog/Fuji_Neopan_1600_Black_and_White.html

If it is being discontinued then buy now while stocks last !

lns · Oct 16, 2010

I find this very discouraging. Though I primarily use Tri-X, I had a project this summer that took off when I started using Neopan 1600. Part of what I like about using film is the special look of each one.

Fuji makes, or made, wonderful films, and it's a terrible shame we are losing these materials.

-Laura

Jeff Kubach · Oct 16, 2010

I haven't used 1600 much, but I hate to see it discontinued. Just have to live with it I guess.

Jeff

mooseontheloose · Oct 16, 2010

It still appears on the Fuji Japan website -- the only thing that's been discontinued is the 24-135, not the 36-135. It may be the case where it's been discontinued from global distribution, but not local (like Fuji Quickloads -- still readily available here in Japan with no mention of discontinuance).

whlogan · Oct 16, 2010

Oh S**T they are turning into Kodak.... my favorite 35mm film! I guess it really is true after all. Logan likes a film: the mfg will shortly stop making it. The death knell for TriX is sounded guys. I am so sorry. I have planted the kiss if death on it. I have 2 100 meter rolls of Fuji 1600 and 2 100 meter rolls of Trix, too. I guess that'll be it for 35mm photography for me. Too bad. My good old Dad tried to warn me about this stuff.
Logan

MaximusM3 · Oct 16, 2010

This just blows! Another one bites the dust. I love Neopan 1600 @ 640 in Rodinal. Have 40 rolls left
B&H shows no stock of all Fuji b&w now. WTF??

kadath · Oct 16, 2010

This is a real shame. I don't think there's any other film that gives the same look as this film at 1600 (that film noir look - not to everyone's taste, but I love it), and it was one of the reasons I chose to use 35mm. I just checked freestyle, and they're not listing it either. It has such a wonderful character, and I had settled on this and acros for all my b&w after testing the different films available. It must be really annoying for people who have been using it for years. I'm now thinking whether to still use acros, since from when I was using colour I had always settled on a particular film for a particular situation, and learnt it's characteristics well. There's no point if it's going to be discontinued, and this is really making me question why I should shoot fuji at all (for colour I shoot provia 400x and 400h, so until now I had used Fuji for everything, except tri-x for 16mm which actually looks quite similar to neopan 1600), especially given the way their films are just pulled overnight without warning. I guess I always just liked the unique way fuji films render scenes. Seems crazy/depressing to me that they're now introducing instax plastic lens cameras with new low quality iso 800 film while discontinuing all their high quality stuff.

clayne · Oct 16, 2010

I have 100s of rolls but if it is true then it is a serous bummer. 1600PR is top-notch and very fine grain for it's speed.

The thing with fujifilm is that you can never be 100% sure what they're doing. Very Japanese approach.

If it keeps up the market will be reduced to just general iso 400 films. Very sad.

Rolleijoe · Oct 18, 2010

I started using it for a project a few years ago, and will need to resume next year. Looks like I'd better grab some when I can. It's bad enough they discontinues Neopan 400 in 120, now this too.

sepiareverb · Oct 19, 2010

There is still some around if you look- but not for much longer. Neopan Presto 1600 in Japan may still be in production, I'm waiting to hear from someone who can find out for sure.

hpulley · Oct 19, 2010

Presto is/was the Neopan 400, Super Presto is/was the 1600.

I'm getting some while there is still some stock though it still bugs me, get something you know and like and they take it away and you have to replace it with something else. Might have to use the last rolls to compare it to pushing some 400 and '3200' (really 1000) films to 1600 to see if I can get similar results. Anyone already know what is closest to Neopan 'Super Presto' 1600?

Edit: Delta 3200 shot at 1600 maybe? I shall try some of that since I seem to be shooting most Ilford for 400 these days anyhow.

Tim Gray · Oct 19, 2010

B&H says things are discontinued all the time that really aren't. Don't read too much into that. On the other hand, over on range finder forum, a couple people have heard back from Fuji USA that it is discontinued. The official word isn't in from Fuji Japan yet.

RE: a replacement, I think either Ilford 3200 or T-Max 3200 shot at 1600 would be a pretty poor replacement for Neopan 1600. I'd think that you'd get way too much in the shadows compared to Neopan 1600. And much larger grain. I'd suggest either Tri-X or HP5+ pushed to 1600 as a potential close match...

hpulley · Oct 19, 2010

Thanks for your thoughts. It seems I will need to load a few bodies up and do a bake off.

hoffy · Oct 19, 2010

I take back all the negative comments I have said about Kodak.....

Curt · Oct 19, 2010

What I've figured out is that film is like the distant wilderness areas, I may never visit them all but I would like to know that they still exist and will continue to exist.

hpulley · Oct 19, 2010

hoffy said:
I take back all the negative comments I have said about Kodak.....

Not just their fault, takes two but while at my local store today they had lots of Ilford B&W but no Kodak, only color Kodak... So I bought a bunch of Ilford and no Kodak, their loss as with the fall leaves pretty much done up here I'm not planning much color work at the moment.

Honestly Ilford seems to be the only one really carrying the torch at the moment. I'll see if my Neopan 1600 comes in this of the week, if it does I'll compare it to some pushed Ilford Delta and HP5 400 and 'pulled' Delta 3200, do a 4 body 1600 bake off to see if I can somehow pick a winner by doing some sort of consistent processing and printing... wish me luck.

fschifano · Oct 19, 2010

If you really need a 1600 speed film, you might want to try Tri-X in Diafine. I've never used Fuji Neopan 1600, so I'm not in a position to say that the look is close or not. I can tell you though, that Tri-X in Diafine looks pretty darned good at that speed if the light is not too contrasty, or just a little slower (about 1000 to 1250) if it is. It's worth a shot. The grain is reasonably fine for something of that speed, and the Diafine acts as a compensating developer so the highlights will have plenty of detail though you might have to burn them down a bit to see it in the print.

MaximusM3 · Oct 19, 2010

I've used Neopan 1600 frequently and it is at best 800ISO. Love to shoot it @640 and develop in Rodinal 1:50. It's not the same but TMZ can do a fine job @ 1000-1600ISO. Nevertheless, it is a shame that it's gone.

Mike Pieper · Oct 19, 2010

MaximusM3 said:
B&H shows no stock of all Fuji b&w now. WTF??

B&H frequently runs out of stock of Fujifilm B&W, and I'm getting a little tired of it. I wanted some more Fujifilm Acros in 120, but when I saw they were out of stock, I was forced to look elsewhere. I was pleasantly surprised to see Adorama offering the film for $0.85 cheaper than B&H ($2.69 per roll as opposed to the B&H price of $3.54!) and the shipping is the same or slightly cheaper than B&H. Ordered some last night and it's on its way to me today. If I'm happy with Adorama's service, I might switch to them for the majority of my film purchases.

clayne · Oct 19, 2010

There is no other high speed film which delivers the well-rounded results that 1600PR does. Of course TMZ and D3200 offer faster speed, but not at the same granularity. I love all three films, but one can use 1600PR for everything if they wanted to.

Using B&H as an arbiter of availability is a joke in itself.

Ektagraphic · Oct 19, 2010

clayne said:
Using B&H as an arbiter of availability is a joke in itself.

Agreed.

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