Does anyone have any suggestions for a good Black and white sharpening workflow. I scan with an epson v-700, use a mac edit in photoshop, try to eyeball, using unsharp mask but I feel like I could get more precise. I print on an epson 3800.
Ctein has an interesting piece on high pass sharpening on Mike Johnston's blog--
http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2008/10/high-pass-sharp.html
Lately, I use Smart Sharpen in CS2 more than USM.
Er..... where did you find anywhere that I do sharpen as the first procedure?
It's said nowhere, nor implied. Perhaps you thought I was using it immediately after the scan when I said I use it "on the scan output"?
If that's the case, let me clarify: " scan output" means simply something that came out of the scanner. Not that it is done immediately *after* the scan! There are a few other process steps in between. Sharpening is the last step.
I don't need "so much sharpening": that is the whole point. I just set FM to minimal sharpening and in one go it does what would take me a long time to achieve with USM.
As to proof of "better than digital capture": that is not the point I made, nor do I think it was anywhere in my reply?
If you think so, I'm sorry but you seem to have missed the point and all I can say is: read again what I wrote.
Or better yet: if you are really keen on seeing differences between dslrs and film, read Dead Link Removed and Dead Link Removed.
One more thing: I *do* have a late model 10MP dslr as well so I speak with full knowledge of dslrs. It's no match in detail for any film at anything less than 800ISO. >=800, yes.
But that is far from the point of my reply which was about sharpening. Nowhere was it said it was the first step.
Ray,wow, you need loosen your nuts just a little
the comments i made are after reading your post
as for "this" and "this" why are trying so hard to justify film usage? your kind of paranoia does nothing to move the argument forward, though i doubt it needs moving forward
yes, film is "better", yes your right, film capture is different to digital capture, so stop trying to compare them in meaningless ways
and here's another couple of ideas for you, sublety, deep of field and selective focus
Ray,
Most experts, if not all, tell us that sharpening is required after image capture. That includes scanning from film. Normally this is one of the first steps in post processing. A final sharpening at output sized is also recommended.
There are a lot of methods for sharpening at both stages. Do some research on the web for details and opinions. It's a complex subject that needs consideration based on ones personal tastes, experience and targeted output.
Don Bryant
the comments i made are after reading your post
As I said: you did not *read* my reply, you simply jumped to a number of conclusions.
*Nothing* in it compared film to digital, it's you who brought that up.
As for "options", perhaps if you research how long I've been actually using scanners it'd
then be clear to you I'm not exactly a beginner: been through a LOT of *options* and settled
on what works, not what "lots of folks talk about" or what some presumed "expert" web site
says. Simple as that and I won't engage in Usenet type trollish discussion over this:
it's clear above what I said, and what your conclusions were.
End of story
USM applied in LAB to the L channel works well for me.
but at the moment I'm dead broke, so I'm trying to learn other ways. Any else have any suggestions. Thanks,
Does anyone have any suggestions for a good Black and white sharpening workflow. I scan with an epson v-700, use a mac edit in photoshop, try to eyeball, using unsharp mask but I feel like I could get more precise. I print on an epson 3800.
Ray,
Most experts, if not all, tell us that sharpening is required after image capture. That includes scanning from film. Normally this is one of the first steps in post processing. A final sharpening at output sized is also recommended.
There are a lot of methods for sharpening at both stages. Do some research on the web for details and opinions. It's a complex subject that needs consideration based on ones personal tastes, experience and targeted output.
Don Bryant
ok Mike, let's get back on track
why do feel you need to "get more precise"?
what is lacking when you use the basic PS sharpening tools?
why do you think you need more than the normal light sharpening before printing to inkjet?
Perhaps sharpening is "required" after a scan but NEVER if the image is received fresh from a DSLR.
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