ATP [new TechPan]

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ADOX CMS 20 at very reasonable prices

CMS20 or SPUR Orthopan UR is an old type (partial orthochromatic) micro film from Gevaert in Belgium, made already over 20 years and with a nice suitable special developer pretty good results for high resolution micro films if your contrast light conditions are less then 5 f stops, otherwise you can forget the use of these kind of micro film!

http://www.imx.nl/photo/film_2/the_modern_slow_speed_silve.html

but also ATP-V1.1:
http://www.imx.nl/photo/film_2/new_film_rollei_atp_11_nove.html

Well I am selling them BOTH:
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Sorry Sean, I am over the edge now

By the way: Both developers for ADOX (CMS20) and Rollei (ATP) are made by SPUR who have the knowledge and experience to make these things working for 100%. Very knowlegeble people in this field.

And if you do not like this info: Do not read it!

And if above info is to commercial: Sean feel free to adapt or moderate my input.
Everybody has the right to order his materials with the company he wants: Freestyle in the USA, Fotoimpex in Germany, B&H, Silverprint, Phototec, Fomafilm whatever.....
 

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I wonder how this new film compares with the ADOX CMS 20

CMS20/SPUR Orthopan UR is orthochromatic MICRO-film.

ATP-V1.1 is not a micro film and has extended RED sensitivity (like the Kodak Tech Pan film)

So huge differences.

Depending for what you want, both films are very interesting. But micro films are very slow. A Tech Pan film can be pushed more easily to iso 40 without too much damage from the steep log D curve.
However when using ATP with Rodinal 1+150 or any document developer (also low contrast) the iso rate is limited till about iso 20-25 in pictographical use.

Mr. Erwin Puts will publish soon some direct rsults of these films, including their log D curves.

Both films are very interested in usage with some better lenses like those from Leica, Zeiss, Rollei, Hasselblad (also Zeiss) a.s.o.
 

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CMS20/SPUR Orthopan UR is orthochromatic MICRO-film.

ATP-V1.1 is not a micro film and has extended RED sensitivity (like the Kodak Tech Pan film)

So huge differences.

Everybody selling the ATP stresses very much, that this film is not a micro film.

I'd like to know
1. why?
2. what are the differences picture wise
3. what are the differences emulsion wise
4. what are the differences handling wise.

Thanks.
 

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Handling Orthopan UR:

http://www.spur-photo.com/dat_ort_ure.pdf

Handling ATP-V1.1

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Here the complete Rollei developing data sheet:

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Here a test with the ATP-V1.1 on low iso rate with the Rollei Low Contrast (which is a receipture of Uddo Rafay document developer, nice marketet under Rollei brand, just like their Rollei Low Speed, same inventor: CG512).

I have made this picture in my hometown Ravenstein on the border of the river Maas:
http://gallery.fotohuisrovo.nl/thumbnails.php?album=9
More info about this nice middle age on architecture small town and his famous glass museum:
http://www.toerismeravenstein.nl/

Orthopan UR (micro film) is more or less a variant of the Kodak Imagelink (also micro film). Both Orthopan UR and ATP-V1.1 are made by Gevaert in Mortsel, Belgium, with high experience and Q.C. on both micro film and Technical Pan (Scientific) film material even for military purposes.

All readers of this thread are able to order free of charge one micro film and one ATP-V1.1 scientific film by airpack envelope to check and test themselves what they like or not about these special high resolution films. To have some reasonable transfer times by post I think the area must be limited to whole Europe due to the fact we are sending airpack envelopes from the Netherlands.



A small detail:




Be aware that for making such pictures (by hand, so without tripod) a R.F. camera with shutter times from 1/15S -1/30S and some lenses from 2,8 up to 1,4 must be available to work with such slow speed B&W films (iso 12-25).
 

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From the real specialist: Mr. heribert Schain (SPUR, Germany):

 

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Part II:

 

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Part III :

 

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His opinion on Orthopan UR:

 

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His opinion on ATP-V1.1 (ATP-DC "made by SPUR" = SPUR Technospeed):

 
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Just some marketing for this SPUR/Rollei ATP-DC developer:

http://shop.fotohuisrovo.nl/product_info.php?cPath=31_37&products_id=280

This high speed developer for the ATP-V1.1 is available via different channels in the USA and Europe:

Dr 5, Freestyle, Digitaltruth, Impex, Maco, SPUR.

Just do not read this if you do not want to buy or getting annoyed by these addresses worldwide availability.
 

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mad???

Well, and why do you together with "Agx" (probably a Maco employee) flood this forum. Photo.net and others with your marketing stories? These are discussion forums, not space for free advertising. I find this very annoying.



cmo,

I am not an employee of Maco nor related to that company in any way.



I ask you to read all my posts (I have never posted outside apug) and show me and the rest any `marketing stories´ or marketing attempts posted by me!
Now it's your turn to support your alligations!


However, my historic interest gave me enough insight into the industry to ask you again to be fair to them.

Here and at other threads it has been repeatedly stated which efforts it takes to make a product with features foreseeable and repeatible in the hand of the user. We are living under circumstances where it is common to try to be paid for these efforts by the profit of that product.
Not at least via this community you should have learned that these expectations of rewarding not necessarily turn out to be true.

Yes, as a consumer I too ask myself, seeing a colour-negative film of one of the major manufacturers at the local food discounter for 90€cent while for a less common film I am asked a multiple, whether I want to pay that price.

Yes, I am annoyed by that habit within the industry (large and small) to offer products which seem to be identical under different names. For a part this is understandible due the structure of the industry where competitors want to veil their sources, for a part due to slight or even major differences. From a marketing perspective this may even turn out to be counterproductive.
 

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cmo,
I, like many others are interested in any new film product that is introduced in this suffering artworld.
So, please, with all respect, shut the fuck up.
 

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I am very happy to hear of ANY company still investing time and resources on new films. Even if the intent in posting was to promote this film I'm still damn glad that there's even a new film to be promoted.
 

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Ummmm...in not so many words, I agree!


cmo,
I, like many others are interested in any new film product that is introduced in this suffering artworld.
So, please, with all respect, shut the fuck up.
 

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Robert Any chance of a translation into English of the extensive text in German. What you have given is information about analogue photography which is what the site is all about. Don't worry, if you ever try blatant advertising and I have seen no signs of this then I am sure the general membership here will let you know. I don't think that will be any time soon. Remember that you can never please all of the people all of the time. Until then keep on feeding us information. Thanks

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Any chance of a translation into English of the extensive text in German

You can run google translator for the general guidlines. I am sure some German members would be able to do some perfect translation work in this field and I know the weakest point of some famous German chemists is their language.

Same problem with Wolfgang Moersch, a genious German chemist and a very good practical guy in his field but a lack of knowledge in foreign languages, unfortunately.

He did an extensive test for the new introduction general Rollei SUPER PAN 200 film for the next comming Photokina in Cologne/Köln.
Together with his famous FINOL, a kind of modified PMK, he made this test, this time translated by Rollei/Maco and our Fotohuis in English language:

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This guy likes his job, is super enhousiastic and is able to do some "miracles" with some film-developer combinations.
I think he will end such a film-developer test without sleeping some nights. A real dark-room nerd.
http://www.moersch-photochemie.de/

This guy certainly needs more attention in the international APUG community and certainly not only in Germany (or Holland).
 

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Robert Any chance of a translation into English of the extensive text in German.

pentaxuser

pentaxuser; Google "Translate" does a pretty good job.

Robert; Thanks for the TON of information, also thank you for the free ATP V1.1 trial offer, eventhough it's only for those on THAT side of the pond.

- Terry
 

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Hello everybody,
I am new here as you can see and have followed this forum for some time now. It was Iwagoshi who made me aware of this place, thanx for that.

A couple of weeks ago I was able to lay my hands on some Technical Pan film. The films are extremely over date, like expiration year 1992/1993 and even 2 films 1985. Never heard of that film before then and decided to give it a go.
I treated it as 100 asa film, developed it for 6 minutes in the HC-110 since I didn't know what to expect from it. Negs were thin and gave a hard result.
Despite that I have fallen in love with it. I'll post 3 examples:


By contrastique at 2008-01-24


By contrastique at 2008-01-24


By contrastique at 2008-01-24

So i went on looking for more info on the film. Unfortunately I found out it's no longer being made. Fortunately I also found out the ATP-V1 is supposed to be an as -close- as- it- gets replacement of that film.
I'm looking in to what developer I might use best in the future since I still have some rolls of that Techfilm and want to try out the ATP-V1 very soon, would I do best with the RCL cause it can handle both films well?

I will experiment with one more film in the HC-110, now treated as 25 ASA film, again developed at 6 minutes to see what the difference will be.
I really liked that contrasty result it provided me with and I assume the low contrast developer will give much softer results, with much more detail, right?

Sorry for the maybe kinda vague post as I feel rather unknowledged compared to the rest of you people here
 

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IMHO Microflim was designed to be a black-and-white film literally, so high contrast and high definition
I guess the difference lies there, in the lack of in-between tones

Everybody selling the ATP stresses very much, that this film is not a micro film.

I'd like to know
1. why?
2. what are the differences picture wise
3. what are the differences emulsion wise
4. what are the differences handling wise.

Thanks.
 

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Contrastique,

With all that `softening´ of quite contrasty emulsions it is intriguing to see that someone went the other way.
 

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Contrastique,

With all that `softening´ of quite contrasty emulsions it is intriguing to see that someone went the other way.

Well, you're right about that. It's the massive contrast in the film that struck me and made fall in love with it.
OTOH I have not seen the effect with my own negs with a lc developer so I do plan on experimenting with that just to find out for myself. I will continue to try and refine the development with the HC-110 though.
 
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http://www.dr5.com/atp.html

and know can Dr. 5 explain ME how he got this iso 100 out of the T.P. film


...ummm.. know how...?

This film reacts almost the same as kodaks TechPan, both in the dr5 reversal process & our negative developments; our negative procedure and Technadol.
besides our own procedures and recipes i dont think i do anything different than anyone here could do.

I'd be happy to discuss our neg procedures and recipes, you'll have to email me though.

This film is not like any other film we have tried, it is unique.

regards

dw
 

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I know dr5 obtains different speeds than box, and ATP should be great for reversal since the base is almost clear.

However.... Unique like intersting, or unique 911?

 
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