And an Overgaard hood. Probably not the thieves, although it does seem odd to be selling two BNIB Leica lenses right after a robbery at the local Leica store.
It will come with a receipt from a dealer dated Nov 2022 with my name on it.
Probably not the thieves, although it does seem odd to be selling two BNIB Leica lenses right after a robbery at the local Leica store.
And an Overgaard hood. Probably not the thieves, although it does seem odd to be selling two BNIB Leica lenses right after a robbery at the local Leica store.
The strangest thing, as pointed out, is apparently they were just bought, so why not return them? I did with my spare M6.
What morons... [if these are, indeed, stolen property] they should have, at least, tried selling them in some other city... like New Jersey where they could hide more easily.
Would a store be financially responsible if you wound up purchasing stolen property from them that they may not have known was stolen either?
I'm from New Jersey and can assure you no one here would notice. Things are always falling off of trucks
Here come the $10 Leicas
Eric is correct. Local thieves wouldn't be targeting the Leica Store, they would be at Best Buy stealing boxes of GoPros. Worldwide demand for luxury goods supplied by organized groups supported with both drugs and money. When someone steals a Lamborghini, it doesn't pop up on eBay Autos.Why do you care? You will never see these cameras in the US. They are already in a container(s) going to Asia, Europe and the Middle East.
If a business (like KEH, for instance) buys and sells used goods, it's their responsibility (under law, most places) to exercise due diligence to avoid reselling stolen goods. Pawn shops, for instance, in many/most jurisdictions, are required to report all significant purchases and pawns to local police, including identifying features (serial numbers, etc.) for comparison against databases of reported-stolen property, and to hold received items for some period of time to allow this process to be completed.
If you've ever watched Pawn Stars on TV, you'd have seen a few shots in their back room where they hold items after purchase -- this is why they do this.
If a purchased item is found to be stolen, the pawnbroker (or used equipment reseller) takes a loss for what they paid, but police receive the information the seller gave (this is why you can't sell anything of consequence to such a business without providing identification) and in theory follow it up. I got a handgun back this way once (after two years in a police evidence room -- trials and appeals take time). Unless the used goods dealer was found to have violated requirements, or has a habitual issue with stolen goods, they're unlikely to see legal action -- and it's quite bad enough they'll have taken a loss on the deal.
Ebay has several informational pages on this topic, all of which basically say that they do not support the trade of stolen or illegal goods but if it happens it's between the buyer and police. They offer help, though, which seems limited to providing whatever information they may have to the police..That was the point I was trying to make about eBay. Just what are their legal responsibilities? If I buy something that I have to return to the original owner at my financial loss because it was stolen, does eBay bear any responsibility? I'm not referring to criminal liability but civil liability to reimburse my loss.
That was the point I was trying to make about eBay. Just what are their legal responsibilities? If I buy something that I have to return to the original owner at my financial loss because it was stolen, does eBay bear any responsibility? I'm not referring to criminal liability but civil liability to reimburse my loss.
Ebay has several informational pages on this topic, all of which basically say that they do not support the trade of stolen or illegal goods but if it happens it's between the buyer and police. They offer help, though, which seems limited to providing whatever information they may have to the police..
As mentioned before, the buyer of stolen goods, when they are seized and/or returned to the ir rightful owner leaves the buyer in a financial loss. Civil lawsuits, of course, could be filed but good luck with that. It is likely that some evidence of direct complicity in the illegal aspects of the deal would be needed to prevail. If they, eBay or the seller, were unaware that the goods were stolen then it seems that the unknowing buyer gets stuck with the loss.
A reason to buy new stuff from reputable dealers or at least to ask for the original sales receipts from sellers.
When I sold my car using Craig List and a popular used car sales site, both sites told me to be careful of selling to out-of-state buyers. I was even told to not accept certified checks as often those are phony forgeries. Once you turn the car over and give them the title, good luck trying to find them if the certified check bounces. So I sold to a local buyer and would only accept cash. We met in a bank where the manager gave us an office there where we signed off all the papers and I deposited the cash into my account before I left and turned the title over. They had the car, keys, and title, and I had my cash.
Selling anything that is expensive private party carries risks that one, as you did, should be mitigated.
How do people buy and sell expensive camera equipment? I've bought lenses for a few hundred dollars. But I would be very hesitant to sell or buy a very expensive camera set unknown through eBay or PenPal or whatever.
Here in Canada, if it’s stolen from you... it simply isn’t yours anymore.
CLOWN place.
That's strange, given how many examples I have seen of people getting their items back - as long as they haven't been sold subsequently to an innocent purchaser as part of a valid transaction.
Most frequently, those returns happen if the police get to them before they leave the hands of a stolen property fence.
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