Arista film

redbandit · Feb 27, 2023

has anything changed with the film itself,,, with the new box art change?

Ive only used two of the new box art rolls and they dont behave like the previous box art..

used one old roll up, about a year old, in my 3800n and it went through fine.. tried a new roll of arista film with new box art, and after a dozen shots it stopped advancing in the camera and was a miserable shit to get out.

in same camera bulk Delta 400 goes through like warm bacon grease through an incontinent beagle,,,, same roll of delta 400 goes through my canon ftb the same way..

John Wiegerink · Feb 28, 2023

redbandit said:
has anything changed with the film itself,,, with the new box art change?

Ive only used two of the new box art rolls and they dont behave like the previous box art..

used one old roll up, about a year old, in my 3800n and it went through fine.. tried a new roll of arista film with new box art, and after a dozen shots it stopped advancing in the camera and was a miserable shit to get out.

in same camera bulk Delta 400 goes through like warm bacon grease through an incontinent beagle,,,, same roll of delta 400 goes through my canon ftb the same way..

I can't tell you, but I just ordered five rolls of fancy new boxed Arista 100 in 120 and I sure hope it's still the same as Foma 100.

relistan · Feb 28, 2023

Foma also changed their boxes. My guess (only a guess as I have not got any new stock), is that the new box is because the plastic film canisters have changed and don't fit in the old box. I saw them on the shelf at the local photo shop and the box looks bigger sitting next to the older stock. I would doubt it indicates anything about the film.

cmacd123 · Feb 28, 2023

might want to e-mail freestyle. they will not be able to tell you who makes it, but they should be able to tell you if it is different.

John Wiegerink · Mar 1, 2023

cmacd123 said:
might want to e-mail freestyle. they will not be able to tell you who makes it, but they should be able to tell you if it is different.

My film is in the mail, so I guess I'll just develop it as usual and see. I'm pretty sure it's just the packaging that's changed.

BobD · Mar 1, 2023

redbandit said:
... after a dozen shots it stopped advancing in the camera and was a miserable shit to get out.

When you opened the camera could you see why it was hanging up?

Molli · Mar 1, 2023

Well, Freestyle is still using the same PDFs with precisely the same developing times that they always have with this film and it still says Made In The Czech Republic so unless Freestyle has committed an exceptional oversight in not updating documentation, I would think it's the same film just with an eco-friendly looking new packaging.

runswithsizzers · Mar 1, 2023

Molli said:
Well, Freestyle is still using the same PDFs with precisely the same developing times that they always have with this film and it still says Made In The Czech Republic so unless Freestyle has committed an exceptional oversight in not updating documentation, I would think it's the same film just with an eco-friendly looking new packaging.

I can provide an example of an "exceptional oversight in not updating documentation" committed by Freestyle.

Go to <this link> which is the to the PDF Instructions for LegacyPro EcoPro developer as it appears on Freestyle's website. Look down at the bottom of that PDF and you will see "FS distribution" and below that "www.kentmereusa.com"

I believe between the relationship between Freestyle and Kentmere dates back to before the time when Harman bought Kentmere (2007), so that PDF seems to be quite out of date. Today, when I click on the "www.kentmereusa.com" link shown in that PDF, I get an error "...Safari can't find the server..." But as recently as July of 2022, clicking on that link took me to a hard core pornography site.

Molli · Mar 1, 2023

That's a tad more colourful than anything I've ever come across!
My comment was almost certainly coloured by a really poor website I've dealt with in the past locally. Just impossible to navigate and documentation was non-existent. The few items that had links to product usage, always linked to another website that went offline years before. By comparison, Freestyle is world class.
Speaking of, while it will automatically ré-direct, Freestyle's new site went live this morning at https://www.freestylephoto.com (it was .biz previously).

redbandit · Mar 2, 2023

It just stopped working.. it actually got my poor little film advance lever to just swing helplessly back and forth.

once i popped the film door, got the arista out, and did about 10 practice shots,, the film advance lever went back to normal.

relistan · Mar 2, 2023

redbandit said:
It just stopped working.. it actually got my poor little film advance lever to just swing helplessly back and forth.

once i popped the film door, got the arista out, and did about 10 practice shots,, the film advance lever went back to normal.

Sounds like there is a mechanical issue with your camera that you may need to have repaired. That has the appearance of a tooth or two stripped off of a plastic gear. What camera are you using?

koraks · Mar 2, 2023

relistan said:
Sounds like there is a mechanical issue with your camera

Most definitely. Not film-related.

redbandit · Mar 2, 2023

i did have a hard time pulling the rest of the film out of the spool.

koraks · Mar 2, 2023

Okay, that's a bit odd as there shouldn't be much friction. Let's see if more reports come in along similar lines. Have you tried a second roll yet?

aparat · Mar 3, 2023

I'm not sure if it's useful information, but I just received a few rolls of 120 Arista Edu Ultra 100 from Freestyle, still in the old boxes, dated 01/2025. I love this film. I hope they don't change a thing.

relistan · Mar 5, 2023

aparat said:
I'm not sure if it's useful information, but I just received a few rolls of 120 Arista Edu Ultra 100 from Freestyle, still in the old boxes, dated 01/2025. I love this film. I hope they don't change a thing.

In past, even when they changed the support for 120 films, the emulsion stayed the same or at least behaves identically. The only film that they’ve changed much, in the last 20 years since I’ve been shooting it at least, is 200 which they had to remove something from due to EU legislation. It was off the market for a bit and then back eventually.

Alan Edward Klein · Mar 5, 2023

Who makes Arista films?

relistan · Mar 5, 2023

Alan Edward Klein said:
Who makes Arista films?

Foma makes Arista EDU films. In the past, other suppliers made other Arista films.

redbandit · Mar 11, 2023

Im not so happy with Foma anymore.

Xtol and Eco Pro can make GREAT images... but i have had some pissed off images with it.

1. it really seems to show blur in strange ways..

2. on 135 and 120, the coating isnt great.
Seriously, on my roll of 120,,, the ARISTA film data is perfectly located on the film. In a manner that is identical with a ruler along its whole length.. But the actual IMAGE COATING and actual image wander the width of the negative.
one frame will have the Arista film data 1mm INSIDE the frame.... the next one will have the edge information outside of the frame

3. the film coating is WAVY.. its like they used 3 paint brushes, and is like this

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the delta 400 ive developed, some frames seem slanted on the edge, but the edges look like they were drawn with a ruler... PERFECT.

cmacd123 · Mar 27, 2023

relistan said:
Foma makes Arista EDU films. In the past, other suppliers made other Arista films.

Lets see If I remember them all

Arista England's finest and English Professional were Ilford.
Arista II the next generation was Agfa.
Arista EDU was Forte
Arista EDU ULTRA is Foma.
Arista Premium was Kodak
Arista color was Ferrania.
Legacy Pro was Fuji.

have I forgotten any?

(I will say again that I have always been impressed that Freestyle/Arista DOES use distinctive names for each of the different Private label films that they sell.)

relistan · Mar 28, 2023

redbandit said:
2. on 135 and 120, the coating isnt great.
Seriously, on my roll of 120,,, the ARISTA film data is perfectly located on the film. In a manner that is identical with a ruler along its whole length.. But the actual IMAGE COATING and actual image wander the width of the negative.
one frame will have the Arista film data 1mm INSIDE the frame.... the next one will have the edge information outside of the frame

There is no separate coating. It’s coated once on super wide rolls and the film data is exposed into the rebate during confectioning after it is cut in the final format. What you are seeing is either a fault with your camera, or a fault with how you loaded it.

Agulliver · Mar 28, 2023

Seconding what @relistan says. There is no physical way what OP describes could be a coating problem.

pentaxuser · Mar 28, 2023

redbandit said:
in same camera bulk Delta 400 goes through like warm bacon grease through an incontinent beagle,,,, same roll of delta 400 goes through my canon ftb the same way..

I had the same problem with my beagle when feeding it Delta 400 but it seems that I can avoid Vet's fees if I change its diet to Arista. There is truth in the old saying "It's an ill wind that blows nobody any good "

Certainly my incontent beagle blew an ill wind that did me no good

pentaxuser

cmacd123 · Mar 28, 2023

Yes, also agree that it is YOUR CAMERA that puts the Images on the film. It may be allowing the film to wander. if the edge printing is a constant distance from the edge of the film, the folks who cut and roll the film have done their job.

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