Arista EDU ULTRA 100 Made in Canada?

[Dali]

Hi there,

Sorry if the question has already been posted but I just received cartridges of 35mm Arista EDU ULTRA 100 film and it is written "Made in Canada" on the tag. There is no box, so there is no notice and no development times... Pretty basic, so I have a couple of questions for you:

1) As Freestyle is not a film manufacturer, who did it in Canada?
2) Do you have some guidance to share on development time with D76 1+1?

Thanks a bunch!

 

[mshchem]

Canada!??

 

[pentaxuser]

Just out of interest, from whom did you receive the cartridges. There is no film maker as far as I know in Canada so which part of the film making process is carried out there, if any, that justifies a "Made in Canada" being printed on the cartridge is a mystery to me

pentaxuser

 

[koraks]

who did it in Canada?

There's no commercial film manufacturer in Canada. It's conceivable that some of the confectioning happened in Canada. But perhaps it's best if we all have a look at that box and it's markings first.

 

[Paul Howell]

Is there a trade commission in Canada that can verify where something is made or imported? Might just the the plastic cartridge that is made in Canada.

 

[GregY]

Is there a trade commission in Canada that can verify where something is made or imported? Might just the the plastic cartridge that is made in Canada.

that's the most likely situation.....

 

[Dali]

In fact, it is written in the plastic container and the cartridge. I bought them from B&H.

Funny thing, I found from the Freestyle site the development instruction but at the bottom of the leaflet, it is written "Made in Czech Republic" which basically means Foma. But why "Made in Canada" on the real thing? Is it still Foma film in the cartridge or something else?

 

[koraks]

Its Foma film alright. The 'made in Canada' likely just refers to part of the packaging.

 

[Prest_400]

Could it be Flic Film doing the finishing?

 

[pentaxuser]

Its Foma film alright. The 'made in Canada' likely just refers to part of the packaging.

Based on everything that sounds about right One wonders if such a phrase on the plastic container and cartridge is sensible given the volatile nature of the tariff situation

pentaxuser

 

[Rick A]

Hi there,

Sorry if the question has already been posted but I just received cartridges of 35mm Arista EDU ULTRA 100 film and it is written "Made in Canada" on the tag. There is no box, so there is no notice and no development times... Pretty basic, so I have a couple of questions for you:

1) As Freestyle is not a film manufacturer, who did it in Canada?
2) Do you have some guidance to share on development time with D76 1+1?

Thanks a bunch!

EDU Ultra is Fomapan, made in the Czech Republic.

Massive Dev Chart Film Development, Film Developing Database

www.digitaltruth.com

 

[Sharktooth]

Flic Film in Alberta Canada has been making their own unique film cartridges for a while now. They don't actually make the film itself, but they are packaging the film in their cartridges for retail sale. They do that with Foma films, as well as some Kodak films. I think they are actually supplying Foma with their cartridges under some agreement. The regular cartridges were getting harder to source, especially during the pandemic. The Flic Film cartridges are injection molded plastic, and snap together. There's a special tool that can be used to take them apart to remove the film. I'm pretty sure the cartridges are reusable.

Flic Film also make chemistry for film processing under their brand name.

 

[pentaxuser]

Flic Film in Alberta Canada has been making their own unique film cartridges for a while now. They don't actually make the film itself, but they are packaging the film in their cartridges for retail sale. They do that with Foma films, as well as some Kodak films. I think they are actually supplying Foma with their cartridges under some agreement. The regular cartridges were getting harder to source, especially during the pandemic. The Flic Film cartridges are injection molded plastic, and snap together. There's a special tool that can be used to take them apart to remove the film. I'm pretty sure the cartridges are reusable.

Flic Film also make chemistry for film processing under their brand name.

Makes one wonder how much or little of an object needs to be made in a country to warrant a "Made in" label Until I had seen a lot of "new films" I think, like Dali, I would have wondered whether a Made in Canada printed on a cassette and container might have referred to the main product which is the film

pentaxuser

 

[gordrob]

Makes one wonder how much or little of an object needs to be made in a country to warrant a "Made in" label Until I had seen a lot of "new films" I think, like Dali, I would have wondered whether a Made in Canada printed on a cassette and container might have referred to the main product which is the film

pentaxuser

Why not credit for the cassette design and production as opposed to consumers thinking it was probably made in China because it is plastic. The cassettes are sold separately for those who spool their own film and they should know where the cassettes are made. Flic Film has a presence on Youtube that shows a lot of aspects of their operation.

 

[Dali]

pentaxuser, I agree. "Packed in Canada" would be way more accurate, especially when the main ingredient (the film) is from Czech Republic....

 

[Agulliver]

If "Made in Canada" is printed or embossed on the 135 cassette, that's totally fine because it is likely manufactured by Flic in Canada. It refers to the cassette, not the contents. Though it is also entirely possible that Flic confectioned the film.

Was the film sold in retail packaging, eg a cardboard box, and what country of origin was printed on that?

 

[Dali]

No box, just the cartridge and the container, both in plastic and both with stickers saying "Made in Canada". To be honest, I don't care if the container is made Canada or elsewhere, the most important is to know where the film is coming from, especially when it is delivered with no instruction at all.

Botton line: From the Freestyle site, you get instruction leaflet saying "Made in Czech Republic" but when you have the real thing in front of you, it is written "Made in Canada". Confusing, no?

 

[Light Capture]

No box, just the cartridge and the container, both in plastic and both with stickers saying "Made in Canada". To be honest, I don't care if the container is made Canada or elsewhere, the most important is to know where the film is coming from, especially when it is delivered with no instruction at all.

Botton line: From the Freestyle site, you get instruction leaflet saying "Made in Czech Republic" but when you have the real thing in front of you, it is written "Made in Canada". Confusing, no?

There's a difference between "Product of" and "Made in" in Canada
Confectioning costs have risen according to most articles I've read and constitute majority of the price.
35mm film being generally more expensive than 120 even though it's higher volume confirms that.
120 confectioning price is also not trivial.

Short description of the differences (as far as I know it's the same or similar elsewhere but not sure how often is "Product of" labeling):

Under the Consumer Packaging and Labelling Act, a "Product of Canada" label means at least 98 per cent of the total direct costs of producing the item were incurred in Canada. Essentially, it was made in Canada by Canadians, with negligible imported elements.

"Made in Canada," meanwhile, means it was more than half of the total direct costs — at least 51 per cent but less than 98.

The Competition Bureau encourages qualifying statements for that label, such as "Made in Canada with imported parts," or "Made in Canada with 60 per cent Canadian content and 40 per cent imported content."

 

[BrianShaw]

There's a difference between "Product of" and "Made in" in Canada
Confectioning costs have risen according to most articles I've read and constitute majority of the price.
35mm film being generally more expensive than 120 even though it's higher volume confirms that.
120 confectioning price is also not trivial.

Short description of the differences (as far as I know it's the same or similar elsewhere but not sure how often is "Product of" labeling):

Under the Consumer Packaging and Labelling Act, a "Product of Canada" label means at least 98 per cent of the total direct costs of producing the item were incurred in Canada. Essentially, it was made in Canada by Canadians, with negligible imported elements.

"Made in Canada," meanwhile, means it was more than half of the total direct costs — at least 51 per cent but less than 98.

The Competition Bureau encourages qualifying statements for that label, such as "Made in Canada with imported parts," or "Made in Canada with 60 per cent Canadian content and 40 per cent imported content."

Minor details/clarification. If I'm not mistake, both designations include a criteria for "last substantial transformation". "Product of Canada" refers to the majority of Todal Direct Cost (TDC), as pointed out above, and refers to where hte labor occurred but may not directly address the nationality/citizenship of made it. I suppose it depends on how one defines a Canadian.

 

[Dali]

Country of origin is somewhat important information for Arista products (films included) as it gives an idea of who did what and what are the product features. Looks at Arista paper: Some are made in Czech Republic, some were made in England and in Hungary before that. Even if the product name is the same, features are different. Same with films. So, for the user, Made in Canada means nothing and the real product (not the plastic container) could come from Foma, from ORWO, from Agfa, from Shanghai, you name it, who knows? So, if from the legal standpoint, it is OK, from the transparency standpoint, not so much.

 

[mshchem]

No box, just the cartridge and the container, both in plastic and both with stickers saying "Made in Canada". To be honest, I don't care if the container is made Canada or elsewhere, the most important is to know where the film is coming from, especially when it is delivered with no instruction at all.

Botton line: From the Freestyle site, you get instruction leaflet saying "Made in Czech Republic" but when you have the real thing in front of you, it is written "Made in Canada". Confusing, no?

Are these DX encoded?

 

[Dali]

Nope.

 

[lecarp]

#1 If you purchased this film from B&H you should be directing your question to B&H. They should have an answer, if not, shame on them.

 

[Light Capture]

Minor details/clarification. If I'm not mistake, both designations include a criteria for "last substantial transformation". "Product of Canada" refers to the majority of Todal Direct Cost (TDC), as pointed out above, and refers to where hte labor occurred but may not directly address the nationality/citizenship of made it. I suppose it depends on how one defines a Canadian.

That is correct "last substantial transformation" as well as some other fine print apply to it. My short post wasn't meant to be thorough elaborate on the rules and exact application in different places.
It has customs implications and that's the main reason why it's used. Nothing can be exported without source of origin declared according to these rules.

Country of origin is somewhat important information for Arista products (films included) as it gives an idea of who did what and what are the product features. Looks at Arista paper: Some are made in Czech Republic, some were made in England and in Hungary before that. Even if the product name is the same, features are different. Same with films. So, for the user, Made in Canada means nothing and the real product (not the plastic container) could come from Foma, from ORWO, from Agfa, from Shanghai, you name it, who knows? So, if from the legal standpoint, it is OK, from the transparency standpoint, not so much.

Very few are disclosing this information. The point of house brand labeling is that in most cases it can't be advertised as the brand name product.
Even though Freestyle isn't directly disclosing this information, they didn't exactly made an effort to hide it.
There are quite a few of other examples where it says "Made in Germany" or "Made in England" where it wasn't confirmed in the end that the actual film was made there or it was confectioned there.

 

[Agulliver]

Do you have a photo of the items in question?