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Arista EDU Ultra 100 in Legacy Pro L110

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My first experiment w/ Legacy Pro L110 went so-so w/ Shanghai GP3 100, so I tried it today in 35mm w/ Arista EDU Ultra 100. This did not work. Any ideas? I went w/ Dilution B again, and followed the times from Digital Truth of 6 minutes at 68 degrees. This film usually works better in many developers if shot at ISO 50, and I shot it at ISO 125, but still.... I did use the times for HC110, which I assume are the same for the L110, since its a Freestyle clone.

One thing I should mention is that the website said to give it constant, slow agitation. I had agitated the Shanghai film like most films - 30 seconds initially, then 2 inversions every 30 seconds. Might the constant agitation be the problem here? The first photo is a straight scan of the neg, the second has the brightness brought way down. All the shots look like the first one. Soft, fuzzy, and way too light.

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I just tried my first bottle of Legacy's 110, jury is still out for me.

You may have your own methodology down, but I've dialed in my 35mm film/dev testing to learn a lot from one roll of film.

I create a small set with textured white (styrofoam packing piece), pure white, grays, an actual gray card, textured shadows (a very dark flannel shirt) and a solid black backdrop. I light it with a 4-bank biax flo through diffusion (about any constant light source would work) and I leave everything unmoved until I'm done testing.

I'll take a spot reading (you can use a DSLR set to spot and a zoom) and see how the setup works zone-system wise, and base exposures on that - but I keep notes of highlight, mid gray, and shadow readings, and also compare the mid gray to a handheld spot reading.

I shoot the standard exposure tests - usually 4 frames is plenty. Just tested HP5+ at 200, 250, 320, and 400. And then did some push tests at 800 and 1600.

But... in my darkroom (or changing bag) I make a bunch of strips of blue painter's tape, about 1/2" long by 1/8" wide, and fold a small tab on the end of each - I stick those on a small plastic box with the tabs hanging out so I can find 'em in the dark.

I shoot my bracket of 4, and take the camera in the darkroom. Advance one frame, open the back, stick a tape-strip on that frame, close the back, and advance one more frame. If I do that 4 times, I've shot under 24 frames. So I have four sets of brackets. (With a 36 roll I'll do 6 sets of four, and maybe do some push tests). Every four frames, there's a blank frame with a tab of tape on it.

When the roll is full - back in the dark, I open the camera, and cut the film at each tape strip by feel (that will be about the center of a blank frame). I peel the tape off to avoid any junk getting in the developer. I put each 5-frame strip in an empty film vial, and load one onto a reel (4-5 frames is fine for plastic and metal reels - for metal, just sort of work it into the middle of the reel, don't use the Hughes hooks!)

Then I choose 4 different processing times, keep the temps and agitation the same, and process the strips one at a time. I'll re-use the dev twice since 4-5 frames won't exhaust it like a whole roll would. Could probably use the same tank of dev for everything, but maybe it oxidizes?? It's cheap.

After I make contact sheets and maybe do some 5x7 test prints, I'll still have two more strips that I can use to play with agitation or temp or whatever differences - these can answer questions that come up when you see your initial tests.

You can learn about everything practical to know about a film & dev combo with one roll of film and a couple batches of dev - fixer will be good all the way through the test.

I about guarantee you you will be pretty much an expert on your film & dev combo, what works, what doesn't, how far to push and what dev. times are best for which ISO rating you give - with just a couple hours of (very interesting and fun) work... and ONE ROLL of film.

REGARDING AGITATION - my experience says use more time vs. more agitation if you want a smoother highlight range. Agitation can just kick the teeth of your highs... for an 8 min. tank time, I might do a few gentle swirls every 2-3 minutes... but right now I'm experimenting with 400 and 3200 films.
 
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That's a good system M Carter. Usually 2 rolls and I have it pretty close, but this roll is way off for some reason. I've shot this film at this ISO before w/o this happening (although it looked like lith film w/ D76, and was perfect w/ Mic-X full strength). It's the constant agitation I'm suspicious about.

This person says they agitate just ONCE w/ this developer. The aggravating thing is that Freestyle's website gives no info on agitation or times and temps w/ this developer, nor can I find it on the web anywhere.

http://www.mironchuk.com/hc-110.html
 
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Well, you could try the Massive Dev Chart, but I'm beginning to think agitation gets really overdone sometimes (and of course the dev chart doesn't address agitation, now that I think of it!)

I tell ya though - I may get a wild hair, find my favorite dev. time for a particular film, make a test setup, and do an agitation test. With the above setup, I could do 4 to 6 agitation mods, from minimal to lots - really the only way to really suss it all out, right?
 
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I'm going to make my life simpler and go back to Mic-X and Rodinal instead of spending a lot of time, and film, testing. Those two developers work great. I don't understand how Freestyle can sell a developer w/o giving the specs on times, temps, or agitation with a film they also sell. Or with any film for that matter
 
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I've shot this film at this ISO before w/o this happening (although it looked like lith film w/ D76, and was perfect w/ Mic-X full strength). It's the constant agitation I'm suspicious about.
http://www.mironchuk.com/hc-110.html
This surprises me, as I normally develop ultra 100 in D-76. Both undiluted and replenished and 1:1 I get great tonality with no excessive contrast. I rate it at 100. Agitation is 30-sec initially, then 3 inversions per minute for the duration. Just another data point. BTW, where are you getting Microdol-X these days?
 

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I'm going to make my life simpler and go back to Mic-X and Rodinal instead of spending a lot of time, and film, testing. Those two developers work great. I don't understand how Freestyle can sell a developer w/o giving the specs on times, temps, or agitation with a film they also sell. Or with any film for that matter

I dunno - how big would that datasheet be? I purchased that same brand to try 110, but understood it was the same stuff as HC-110 and did my own research - I would have just chucked the data sheet, I guess I'm used to those things being a little too optimal.

That said, if mic-x and rodinal do everything you need, you're fine. If there's something else you want to achieve look-wise or have a high speed option, well - you're gonna have to test.

I think testing is really good for people - makes you think methodically and I feel that finding your own data - even in as simple a way as I outlined, tape tabs and one roll of film - is rewarding. My results kind of flew in the face of a lot of forum 'experts' I had read. But I compose, shoot, react to a scene, and expose a scene in a unique was, as does everyone. That's why people's results are so different. Give it a try, a bottle of dev and a roll is pretty cheap, it's time well spent, and you end up with a 99% full bottle of developer when you're done!
 
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