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Alex, that's exactly what we're talking about here and there's a whole world of reading and studying being done on the web; every time we open a thread, explore a new chemistry suggested in response to a question or access data from others experiments shared online, we're doing just as you suggest, however, the discipline of study is way more involved than just the written word, as I'm sure you know.

It's a fact that some people learn best from reading, some from hearing, some from seeing a task preformed and some can only learn well by a hands-on approach. As a Veteran, I am occasionally reminded of this when VA personnel want to instruct me how to use a new medicine or device, asking how I learn best is now part of their S.O.P. and there's a good reason for it; it's a more effective way to teach than assuming that all people will benefit from a one-size-fits all approach to "education". In the end, the only imperative is that usable information is shared in a way that benefits the student.

You know, I think a lot of people miss something important about the internet, which is, the potential of learning has been enabled in a way more profound and more importantly than even those revolutions which occurred with the the advent of printing presses and latter, the widespread creation of free libraries. People are adapting to and participating in these new ways of communicating ideas just as fast as they can be put into action and it matters not one whit if those ideas come in a bound volume, university lecture, socratic discussion under the oaks or in a PDF or video stored on usb drive after download from the web.

It's almost ironic; the first human learning was passed on by watching each other practice new skills, even before language had the words to share and here we are, millions of years latter, learning by watching each other online, by web cam and video.

As far as making videos, just as not every book published was well done or useful, the same continues to be true in this new medium. Videos both good and bad will abound and hopefully, those whom try their arm at producing their own, with whatever they have to hand, will quickly catch-on to the do's and don'ts of production. I, for one, can hardly wait to see what tomorrow brings.
 

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Not to be curmudgeonly, but what's wrong with reading and studying? Many millions learned to do photography without YouBlub or whatever it is. Ever tried producing an instructional video? Takes a significant amount of time and equipment which adds to up to expense invested. Unless that is, you want cell phone video.

Alex,

I only seriously started taking up photography in early 2008. Most of what I have learned was from reading. But there are some practical skills where video is a more appropriate teaching tool. For example, I learned more from jbrunner's video series about how to process my own film at home than I did from the books that I read. Rather than read awkward descriptions of how to load the film onto the reel, I just watched jbrunner do it and started developing my own method based on what he demonstrated.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P9bNcBE_Hc[/YOUTUBE]

Millions learned to do photography without Youtube because Youtube was not available. Just because we here prefer analog photography does not mean that we need to take an Amish outlook on all technological developments. Some people enjoy making and sharing these videos, and some (like me) certainly enjoy seeing them. It's as close as many of us will ever get to having an experienced analog photographer around to help teach us the ropes.

If you don't want to make videos, then don't.

If you don't want to watch videos, then don't.

But please don't come crapping up threads meant for people who enjoy making and watching these videos.
 

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...But please don't come crapping up threads meant for people who enjoy making and watching these videos.

The last time I checked this was a forum for discussion. If you don't like what I have to say put me on your ignore list but don't tell me not to express my opinion just because you don't like it.

You wrote "I just watched jbrunner do it and started developing my own method based on what he demonstrated." Well I have an idea. Why don't you make a video demonstrating the method you developed and post it on APUG so we can all see it. Maybe the APUG community would benefit from it.
 

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I have posted several videos with me talking about my 8x10 view camera simply because there was nothing like that on youtube. Now, I am sure that I got some of the terminology wrong, and someone may have a better way of explaining things than I do, but at least I know now that Youtubers can look at my video and understand the basics of how a view camera is suppose to work.

You can look at the video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8kiRKuT60E (sorry, the embed wasnt working)

Someday, I will make more videos that explain my understanding of different areas of the craft, but for now, at least I have contributed to the offerings.
I hope that helps, at it is.
 
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John, jbrunner, I've viewed a few of each of your videos and this is exactly what we're talking about; Well done! Perhaps you each could add an APUG tag to make it easier for searchers to find them in the future? I've written feedback here, asking for the changes to the articles pages mentioned earlier in this thread and can only wait for a response.

In the meanwhile, if anyone needs software to make a PDF, I suggest you download the OpenOffice.org office suite from that site. It is available for free, works with most major OS, Windows, Linux and Mac, and can open and save in many different document types, including open source formats.

Perhaps it would be helpful if we started a wanted list of videos that members would like to see made and cross reference this with work we individually may know of already on-line so links can be collected as well as projects proposed?

Ralph, if you choose to make more videos and sell them or post them online for free access, that is your own affair and only you can decide which is worth doing. However, I find it difficult understand from the tone of your last response where you're really coming from.

If you have remorse over posting free videos, charts and other downloads on your site, why take it out on us; it makes you seem somehow mean and small. Also, no one is suggesting you be forced to participate in any projects here or anywhere else, so you will certainly continue to have time to walk the dog and spend time with your kids, perhaps even by doing a little gardening together.

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I think some of the grouches need to extricate the tripods from their posteriors and lighten up.
 

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I think some of the grouches need to extricate the tripods from their posteriors and lighten up.

So when can we expect to see the video of your method of rolling film onto reels?
 

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Very well, I have tagged all my videos dealing with photography with APUG in all caps. Hopefully if you search for APUG, my videos will come up... I hope this helps some people out.

edit: So apparently when I search for APUG, I get dogs... which, are nice, but not what I wanted... Someone else want to try? Or give me information about how to do this?
 

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There are plenty of free videos dealing with traditional photographic processes on Youtube, google video, metacafe etc. You just have to search.


I see looking for free videos no different from studying books. I don't get authors whining that I didn't buy their book if I read it in the library.
 
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John, that's a real poser; I tried APUG, A.P.U.G. and "analog photography", with and without quote marks, and came up with pretty much the same results. So... it seems we need a search tag that will not be so easily confused with other entries.

I suggest you relabel your videos with "apugphoto" as I just tried this without quotes and came up with "no channels" so this seems likely to work. Just try two or three to start, let us know how many and we'll report back how it fares as a tag.

By-the-way, the same search with a hyphen, "apug-photo" failed and brought up lots of random stuff from both words.

Other suggestions of search terms, anyone?

Eli
 

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What I'd like to see are topics that may be a little more esoteric. For example I'd like to see things like a "white sheet" on print washing and fixers. A "white sheet" on ISO and EI determination (these two alone would probably cut APUG posting activity in half :smile: ), "User's Guides" with operating tips and modifications and clever new uses for various darkroom equipment.

The large format forum already has excellent reference articles on focusing, depth of field and some others.

I have a bunch of 'half-written' stuff that I should put together. Like 'Enlarger Focusing and optimum F-stop based on MTF and diffraction' (Basically just a re-write of 'how to focus a view camera' but detailing how to use the enlarger column scale for the calculations, etc.). Or a collection of hints and tips for using the Omega D5500 enlarges for B&W MG printing.
 
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I dont think a professional photographer could learn anything from a DIY Youtube video that he/she didnt already know or couldnt figure out. In my opinion, the only people benefiting from a Youtube tutorial are the beginners and hobbyists that would rather see something done than by reading out of a book. I havent had to watch tutorial videos because I'm actually a photography student and can see stuff done in class. Others may not have access to classes, and that's who I think would be searching for those videos.

In my opinion, if Youtube tutorials are harming the financial stability of your photography business, you might want to rethink your business plan.
 

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Go here for something you can learn as a professional that you probably have never seen before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4q0Ryh9pBE

In addition, I know how hard it is to make a video. I have about 3 hours in the camera for a 2 part DVD with 6 subsections on emulsion making and coating.

BTW, the URL in the original post is no longer valid on youtube.

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Go here for something you can learn as a professional that you probably have never seen before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4q0Ryh9pBE

In addition, I know how hard it is to make a video. I have about 3 hours in the camera for a 2 part DVD with 6 subsections on emulsion making and coating.

BTW, the URL in the original post is no longer valid on youtube.

PE


I know how hard it is to make a video, too. A filmmaking class is a requirement for the photography degree at the college I go to. I spent three hours (at least) shooting video and at least that many hours in editing for a 5 minute video about how to build a light stand out of stuff you can get from Lowe's.

When I said a professional photographer couldnt learn anything from youtube, I meant that from the video's I've seen. I should have stated that better. Of course, the only photography videos I've searched for there and other sites are basic DIY things like how to dye your own muslins or how to build backdrop stands, and the like. i'm sure if you searched hard enough, you could find something educational as a professional photographer.

I'd like to see the video you likned, but I'm on dialup here, so that's out of the question until monday. If the link is invalid, having high speed internet wouldnt help much anyway :smile:
 
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PE, thanks for posting that link. This is a good example of why a index of links should be created in the Articles forum. It is possible to find a lot of material but with the shear volume of 'hits' most search engines throw-up, working your way through them can be discouraging for many.

Would you consider adding an "apugphoto" tag to your Youtube videos?

Eli
 

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PE, thanks for posting that link. This is a good example of why a index of links should be created in the Articles forum. It is possible to find a lot of material but with the shear volume of 'hits' most search engines throw-up, working your way through them can be discouraging for many.

Would you consider adding an "apugphoto" tag to your Youtube videos?

Eli

Eli, if you have viewed it, you will see that it is not exactly "mine". Tony Mournian did an excellent job putting it together and posting it there.

I am not a member of youtube.

PE
 
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Sorry about that, I thought you were the author/creator.

Cheers
 

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So I have tried a number of different tactics and either the Youtube cache updates ever so slowly, or it wont work. I tried "tags" and "discription" as well as adding it just to the title alone. Can some one in Asia or so check in about 12 hours and see if you can find it? The tag update was both apugphoto and Apugphoto with the capitol A...

Thats all for now...

JRY
 
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Well, I just tried using "apugphoto" as a search term and where before nothing came up, two videos are now found without the all the junk hits showing up.

The first one is "Kodak Six-16 talk 2 - Apugphoto" and the second is "J Brunner talks about APUG.ORG", so it seems we have a tag that works.

I suggest "apugphoto" be edited into the end of your video titles.
 
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Go here for something you can learn as a professional that you probably have never seen before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4q0Ryh9pBE

In addition, I know how hard it is to make a video. I have about 3 hours in the camera for a 2 part DVD with 6 subsections on emulsion making and coating.

BTW, the URL in the original post is no longer valid on youtube.

PE

I just watched the video and found it very interesting. I dont think i'll ever have the chemistry knowledge or the equipment to ever do that, but it's pretty cool to know how it's done :smile:

:munch:
 
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