mhv said:I understand what you mean by "trapped in reality"; what I believe is that the question of meaning is something evacuated out of the critical assessment of photography, and much visual arts as well.
Of course you can't be as pictorially radical as Cubism with photog, because it would probably involve collage or heavily pictorial technique that may take you out of the specificity of the photo medium.
Look at Sheeler's work with a camera. It is the photographic equivalent to what the cubists were doing. His work from the Rouge Plant here in Dearborn in particular. Truly amazing work.jnanian said:one could make the equiv, of a cubist painting using a camera ...
firecracker said:Thank you for the collection. I was not aware of that specific reference.
But I was more on the "inanimated objects" in a way. I should've mentioned about the examples of all the concrete and metal constructions that are merging into the pure "nature", like ivy on a brickwall or car wreckage in the middle of field or something.
Donald Miller said:Creative expression, I strongly feel, is not about capturing what has been captured before...it is about capturing our own view of shapes, forms, patterns, textures and of symbolic meaning.
darr said:My creativity derives from my soul; past and present. I have this unique card catalog that I carry around with me that is full of ideas, insights, mistakes, successes, etc. It is only available to me and I use it when I work, perform, communicate, etc.
Sounds like you want us to give you our recipes for creative success. I know that I cannot do that. A little voice in my head says not to.
I think many people on this site contribute about creativity, you just do not get it.You keep coming back to find answers for questions others are not asking. You act out compulsively about seeking knowledge about a process that is not a verbal happening, but a spiritual awakening. If your in the flow, there are no questions, just energy to produce. I posted a picture that I thought you would comment on since you insinuated that my art may be "shallow". I gave you the opportunity to critique and I welcome your response.
Donald Miller said:I am really surprised that very few people actually spoke to the matter of what motivates or drives their personal creative expression.
That leaves me to wonder does everyone have this figured out for themselves and are just reluctant to talk about it?...but very few people talk about where they live on this subject. Not surprising since this site seems to be long on technical and short on artistic expression or at least discussion of it.
Interesting...
Jeremy Moore said:Of course I have to chime in again while highly intoxicated, but maybe that will lessen some inhibitions I have from talking to such a (at least personally) respected audience.
I made this photograph after being left behind by someone very close to me
And then I made some images while in Japan such as this one
After being told by the same person (after spending $2k to visit her) that it just wasn't going to work out which, to me, expressed my feelings of a tumultuous nature, while still trying to attain a personal calm.
Recently I was again dropped by someone I was seeing and as I have found myself at the bottom of a glass for over a week now trying to cope (which is a horrible idea and never works, I just can't stop from trying to dull the pain) I made this image while out with friends who just wanted me to cheer up:
Donald Miller said:This directed at no specific individual so let me say that at the outset. After a couple of days on this subject and several dust ups, I am really surprised that very few people actually spoke to the matter of what motivates or drives their personal creative expression. I may have missed some one but my memory indicates about four people out of almost 3000 views. So the viewers were either coming to witness the bare knuckles or they were coming to learn something and got a very limited menu. In either case because of the limited participation those who have questions probably came away wanting.
That leaves me to wonder does everyone have this figured out for themselves and are just reluctant to talk about it? Or have very few given any thought to it and for that reason they are reluctant to talk about it?
There has been the usual transference of technical speak into this topic and attempts at giving advice and views...but very few people talk about where they live on this subject. Not surprising since this site seems to be long on technical and short on artistic expression or at least discussion of it.
Interesting...
You do realize that by that statement, you have limited possible replies to two (2)...?Donald Miller said:That leaves me to wonder does everyone have this figured out for themselves and are just reluctant to talk about it? Or have very few given any thought to it and for that reason they are reluctant to talk about it?
Ed Sukach said:And now .... There is a time for reaping, and a time to sow; a time for working and a time for playing ... a time for all things under God's heaven. There is a time for talking and a time for doing - and "doing" takes precedence at the moment.
Do you even want to know where that really came from?????Andy K said:You a Byrds fan Ed?
I suspect I too am on Donald's ignore list, so this will most likely fall on deaf ears. Funny how someone can start a "discussion" but not participate when he hears something he does not like or is outside his limited grasp and vilifying those that seriously question his credibility as lacking positivity and "attackers". From reading and re-reading this thread I have come to the conclusion that although Donald Miller walks a good walk, he hasn't really learned to talk the talk yet. The need to constantly speak about creativity and expression suggests to me that he might be having a hard time of it in his own mind. The old "Those that can, do" kind of thing. In certain cases it is my experience that those that can't (yet) talk about it ad nauseum, project an air of pretentiousness, but have very little substance behind them. I'm wondering if he has ever had any formal training in the arts? If so, I think he might find his discussion of self-expression with terms like, "Creative expression, I strongly feel, is not about capturing what has been captured before...it is about capturing our own view of shapes, forms, patterns, textures and of symbolic meaning." a bit on the pedestrian side. He speaks in terms of graphics, but to be truly expressive in your work, these fundamentals need to be built upon to go anywhere. These building blocks are considered only the first level of "Equivalence' or phenomenology which is what it appears Mr. Miller is striving for in his work. If he has not made himself familiar with this, he might do well to read Minor White's article on the subject.darr said:Donald I am disappointed! I offer you the opportunity to show us what you got when it comes to creative philosophies and you choose to hide. All talk and no action just as I had predicted.
What she said. I like what I like. End of my philosophy.BWGirl said:I'm one of the 3000 'views' and 0 'comments'. There's a good reason for it... I have this really strong aversion to endless 'navel-gazing'. ...snip... so, sorry, I am just a person who loves photography, shoots what she likes, and hopes that she will have a nice photo or two after the first 10,000.
Andy, The Byrds only "covered" the tune ... Crosby, McQuinn, Clarke, Clark and Hillman did not write the thing.Andy K said:You a Byrds fan Ed?
billschwab said:Andy, The Byrds only "covered" the tune ... Crosby, McQuinn, Clarke, Clark and Hillman did not write the thing.
Bill
On the internet there are lot of people that talk about sex. The ones doing it don't use a computer.Ed Sukach said:There is a time for talking and a time for doing - and "doing" takes precedence at the moment.
Uuuuhhhh.... Pete Seeger only covered it as well. Go back... wayyyy back. Ecclesiastes if my limited religious education serves me?Andy K said:I know. It was written by Pete Seeger, but The Byrds cover is the more well known.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?