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Ray Heath said:hang on Donald
it may be you who doesn't want to discuss these issues
as i wrote above, your images do not mean the same to me as they do to you, that is not a failing in me or in you, it is because of our differences in culture/experience/history/background/beliefs/values and a 'failing' in any art
don't tell me, and others, i don't understand sybolism, you don't know me, nor do you know what i respond to
as an aside, i was previously interested in why a talented photographer would not show his final/best work, what is the sybolism in that? you wouldn't discuss that issue either
Andy, we have been here before, and on occasion we have not seen eye to eye, and if there's one rule in art today, it's the rule that says there are no rules, BUT ...Andy K said:For those of us who have never had any kind of schooling in art, and are simply enjoying making photographs that please us to look at, perhaps someone could post the rules as to what is artistic impression.
<edit> I'm not being sarcastic, I genuinely want to know.
MurrayMinchin said:Now I get it...
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Donald, I think there are quite a few who "fail to grasp it". Can you enlighten us with real examples from your portfolio, with sufficient explanation but you know, dumbed down a bit. Thanks.Donald Miller said:(snip) If you fail to grasp it then you fail to grasp it. Others do grasp it and that is as it should be.
Nice statement.mhv said:...There's been too much Stieglitz and not enough Picasso in photography, if you want my opinion.
MurrayMinchin said:Now I get it...
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Oh you guys are too cynical!John McCallum said:Yep, that about sums it up Murray.
gr82bart said:Oh you guys are too cynical!
Art.
THIS should be the website where we CAN, and DO talk about those ideas!!Sparky said:I'm disappointed to see the way many people here are reacting to Donald's challenge...
...I fully agree with Donald I think - maybe there's a website/forum where those of us who DO want to talk about such things can go...? I dunno. If anyone has any ideas...
I agree! Damned straight!Donald Miller said:Yes, it seems that when some don't understand or have anything positive to contribute that it is their nature to express negativity through personal attacks. Unfortunately these people do not understand that this speaks more of them then it does of me.
It's a craft if she does it, but if Tibetan monks do it as Mandala Sand Paintings, does it now become art?David H. Bebbington said:Art or craft? Since you ask, I'd have to say craft - a quite startling level of craft skill in a highly impractical medium - how on earth you make a sand painting permanent, I can't begin to imagine! The level of artistic expression for me - and I can only speak for myself - is at greetings card level, but the woman is obviously talented and I would like to have an opportunity to see more of her work in other media (if she has any) which has perhaps been produced in a slower and more considered way.
I can't see ANY indication of a "conclusion jump" here. His input - and I take it as positive, is: "Don't `overthink' anything when you photograph". Agree or not, it IS a valid choice for some.Donald Miller said:Bill,
... Or do you jump to conclusions so rapidly in each and every matter in your life? Do you have the ability or the knowledge to intelligently discuss this matter apart from trying to subtley diminish it? Do you have knowledge of symbolic meaning? If so I welcome your presence...I welcome all positive input.
BRAVO!!, Gordon. Well said.HerrBremerhaven said:Hello Donald and APUG,
I think ...
Gordon
Donald,Donald Miller said:Other of my images carry symbolic meanins for me as well. They quite honestly may not carry the same meaning to someone else...
Why MUST you conclude that they are "failures"? Is there some written commandment that states, "All thine images must meet my requirements for 'symbolic connection" (n.b., "my") or they fail."Ray Heath said:g'day Donald
i've also looked at your "Transitions" portfolio
great images, well presented
but as for deeper and symbolic meanings that are important to you, i don't get them, you haven't expressed them in a way i can comprehend
so if these symbolic meanings are the important thing, for you, then i must conclude that these images are failures
Ed Sukach said:I propose that NO photograph -- or any other work of art - has EVER "reached" EVERYONE... universally, with the same effect ... or will they - ever.
I have to agree with this statement as well Donald. It seems that those that agree with your comments are welcome to "discuss". Those with a dissenting view or that think you are the one spreading BS are considered pariahs, malcontents and viewed as attackers. It should occur to you that there are those that may come to the conclusion that it is you who are the sensitive and defensive one.Ray Heath said:...you don't want a discussion you want a soap box
This was going to produce a knee-jerk reaction of, "Me! I disagree!", but on further thought ... I haven't been able to pin down with any sort of certainty what is meant by "creativity". I also realize that I really do not know what is meant by "good technique", either.Tony Egan said:Good technique liberates creativity. I don't think anyone would disagree with this?
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