Donald Miller said:I will try to bring this to a point where you might understand. Let's take the images in my Transitions portfolio. Each of those have symbolic connotations.
MurrayMinchin said:I'm so sorry Donald...but the light refracting from my sloped forehead is reflecting off the monitor and through the knotted thatch of my uni-brow. I'll brush it aside and we can all have a look at your portfolio;
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Again, I see nothing new. Without you're telling me specifically how these are symbolic to you...all I'm left with is the ponderous weight of simplistic symbolism of all the images I've seen before just like these.
Why do you have to look down on us...you provoke this kind of reaction...
Murray
Donald Miller said:I will try to bring this to a point where you might understand.
Actually I have to believe that Donald has just been to see "Art School Confidential" and is pulling all our legs. I think I get it now Donald. Hilarious!MurrayMinchin said:Why do you have to look down on us...you provoke this kind of reaction...
Donald, I can only respond from my own personal perspective as I know not what others may be thinking. For me, too much talk about the subject of creativity and my feelings of my own work simply kill the process. It is that simple for me. The same as too much talk and thought of technical prowess kills my spirit and creativity. If this places me on a lower intellectual level than you and others, so be it. I've heard it many times before from those who rode this crazy train far less a distance than I have yet traveled. I think it is wonderful that others can talk a blue streak about their creative process. More power to them. But I would never consider someone who has made that choice to have less intellectual capacity than I.Donald Miller said:What is so amazing to me is that those of us who are intending to be creative artists have such a reluctance to discuss the very thing that we claim to be engaged in. Do you understand why that would happen?
Donald Miller said:Positive sharing of our own thoughts and experiences benefit all of us. For those who have not considered this aspect then there is no need for negativity and critical comments. Contempt prior to investigation benefits no one.
MurrayMinchin said:Well now, it has been a while since I've attended those two fine art schools with all that art history & stuff, and quite a while too since that college photography course with the instructor who's major was in psychology...but I'm really trying here!
Anybody else see the symbolism specific to Donald?
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You poked me in the eye first
Murray
I don't see why the discussion of mediocre, overdone artistic expression in photos is any less valid than discussion of a mediocre thesis on the Apparent Confusion of Artistic Expression.Donald Miller said:Those who wish to participate by being a positive influence are certainly welcome to discuss this. Those who deign to judge and attack I ask you to go spread you BS elsewhere.
billschwab said:I don't see why the discussion of mediocre, overdone artistic expression in photos is any less valid than discussion of a mediocre thesis on the Apparent Confusion of Artistic Expression.
Look, I "grasp" symbolism. It's easy to attach symbolism to an overdone subject and call it new. A common crutch in art school. I'll quote you in your initial post "...show me something new!!!". It doesn't impress me when you back-up your degradation of "photographing "known subjects" until hell freezes over" by stating that there is some almighty symbolism in your photographs that to others are little more than beautifully executed visions of those same "known subjects".
Bill
Sparky said:I don't think there was ANYTHING even remotely 'holier-than-thou' in his post. And yet many seem to be reacting in a heavily defensive way....
Andy K said:For those of us who have never had any kind of schooling in art, and are simply enjoying making photographs that please us to look at, perhaps someone could post the rules as to what is artistic impression.
<edit> I'm not being sarcastic, I genuinely want to know.
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