APO Germinars & Germinar-Ws - Any Interest

JosBurke

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Lens has arrived!!

I'll join in here!! My 750 mm has arrived and I'll add that is a spectacular piece of glass as Kerry stated and very well packaged---Thank You again Kerry!!
 

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Just received my two special purchases today (210mm tessar & 240mm Gerimar) and they are nicer than I could imagine. The packaging to protect these jewels were truly amazing, the lens incredible, the prices phenomenal,
Kerry, priceless! thank you. Jon
 

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Got mine today too!
The 240 looks great, but, um, does anyone have any good ideas for removing the rear elements from the barrel. Mine won't budge. The front came right off, and I'm reluctant to manhandle this gem too much.
Thanks
Mike
 

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No problem in removing the cells to my 240mm germinar from its barrel and they fit directly into my copal no. 1. I would recommend you email Kerry or apply gentle, increasing torque to turn the cell.
 
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mtnjunkie said:
Got mine today too!
The 240 looks great, but, um, does anyone have any good ideas for removing the rear elements from the barrel. Mine won't budge. The front came right off, and I'm reluctant to manhandle this gem too much.
Thanks
Mike

Mike,

The last batch I sold also had one or two with stubborn rear elements. This seem to be caused by them sitting in storage for an extended period. Once you get them started, the rear cell should also also screw right out and not cause further difficulties.

If you plan to get a shutter/scale from someone like SK Grimes, I'd recommend letting them remove the rear cell from the barrel. They will have the proper tools to remove it without any problems.

If you plan to re-mount the cells in a shutter yourself, do not use any metal tools as the chance of causing damage is too great. So, no monkey wrenches, pliers or vice grips. Also, do not use any kind of solvent like Liquid Wrench or PB Blaster. These may work great on rusty nuts and bolts, but I have no idea what such harsh solvents might do to lens coatings (and I have no desire to find out).

The best tool for removing stuck lens cells is a small strap wrench. If you don't already have one of these, you can probably find one at your local auto parts store, plumbing supply store, Lowes or Home Depot. One of the small inexpensive one with a plastic handle should do the job. Here's an example of one that should work and not mar the finish on your lens.

If you don't have a strap wrench, there are a couple other things you can try. One of the circular rubber disks sold as "lid grippers" for removing stuck jar lids can be used to get a better grip on the rear barrel. You can use it to grip the side of the barrel (be careful that it doesn't touch the glass), or you can just lay it on a flat surface and push the lens down onto it while turning. In addition to stuck lens cells, this latter method works especially well on stuck filters as gripping them by the sides tends to cause them to deform slightly and bind even worse.

A similar technique is to use an over-sized rubber stopper. I bought a whole set of these in various sizes years ago at Home Depot, but haven't seen them there lately. The key word here is "over-sized". You don't want to use one too small and risk contact with the glass surface if it slips while turning. For the 240mm Germinar-W rear element, a size 11 will work if you are careful, but a size 12 would be better.

Hope that helps,
Kerry
 
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P.S. I hope it was obvious from my last post, but if not: If you use a strap wrench, it should be one with a rubber or neoprene strap, not one with a chain or metal strap. Sears also sells a small inexpensive plastic-handled strap wrench for $4.99.

Kerry
 

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Fargo Enterprises Inc have "channel lock " pliers(Dead Link Removed) with rubberized jaws for gentle and easy removal of lens elements.

Greg

Thanks Matt!!
 

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Thanks for all the ideas folks. One strap wrench didn't do it. I couldn't grip the barrel well enough with my hand (even with a fat rubber band and rubber gloves). I'm considering trying 2 strap wrenches, but I'm wondering how much torque is too much here. Hmmm.
Thanks again all
Mike
 

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Phew.
Two strap wrenches, frayed nerves, and care did it.
Germinar. In a shutter. Big smile.
Thanks for the ideas
 

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The 240 Germinar-W arrived today. Sweet!!! .

Kerry; a sincere THANK YOU for going to all of the time & trouble, to provide all of these eminently usefull tools, at such reasonable prices.

It's Christmas all over!
 

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A little update:

I bought a 150/9 Germinar-W in the first round, and it's been sitting here since. My spare #0 shutter was "dodgy", and the one which was good had already got a 121mm Leitmeyr Weitwinkel-Anastigmat in it. So the Germinar was left out.

Then about a month ago I bought a Zeiss-Ikon shutter for the stunning price of about $7.50 - it probably came off a folding camera. It was here waiting for me when I got home from the North Sea.

And today I got the brilliant idea to see if the Germinar cells would fit in that shutter.

They did. Spacing is correct too, at least to within 1/20 mm, which is as good as I can measure.

Aperture markings also seem to be exactly one stop out, so it seems the shutter has originally held a 105mm f:4.5 lens in a 6x9 camera.

Maybe it's time for another "normal lens shootout"? 135mm Eurynar, Planar and Skopar; 150mm Germinar, Tessar, APO-Lanthar and Heliar; ca. 150mm Aplanat, 6" Serrac?
 

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Ole,

I too recently picked up a new (NOS) shutter that a 150 Germinar W fits into. Gads! it's a light little lens. Must be around 100grams in shutter.

Recently, several lenses turned up that I couldn't resist. I'm thinking of hauling my Arca Swiss rig out to a burial grounds to see how sharp things can be. I'd like to again visit old vs new lens resolution and image contrast. I'm also thinking it would be good to take a more critical look at the rendition of out of focus areas based on the shape of the aperture. Somone recommended trees against the sky as a simple subjective comparison of out of focus areas.

In 150mm lenses, I now have a #33(?) Kodak Anastigmat f/4.5 (uncoated, very round iris), Schneider Symmar Convertible f/5.6 (single coated, in round iris Prontor Press), Germinar W f/9 (multi-coated, round iris Prontor and 5 blade Copal iris), and a Fuji W/EBC f/5.6 (multi-coated, 5 blade Copal iris and remounted in round iris Prontor Press). It'll be a simple matter of a little film, several aperture settings, a little processing, and a wee-bit-o-print'n. All the shutters should be quiet enough to keep from distrubing the dead.

Ole said:
... Maybe it's time for another "normal lens shootout"? 135mm Eurynar, Planar and Skopar; 150mm Germinar, Tessar, APO-Lanthar and Heliar; ca. 150mm Aplanat, 6" Serrac?
 

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Hi Kerry-

The 150mm Germinar-W arrived today after being mounted by S.K. Grimes.

WOW! What a sweet little unit.

Thanks!

Brian
 

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sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I'm searching for a used germinar 240 at a reasonable price (can't afford the $600+ I'm finding) & was hoping to catch someone here who bought one years ago & would consider selling - please ping me if you can help me out. Thanks! -Pat
 

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These are difficult to find since they were produced only for a short time.

Have you considered a 240mm G-Claron, 240mm Fujinon-A, or a Fujinon 250mm f6.7?

I think any of these would give a similar look and have the same approximate coverage.
 

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They are rare. I have both the fujinon 250mm f6.7 and the 240mm Germinar-W and have just recently decided to keep my 250mm Fujinon and sell the 240mm. If Pat passes on it, I will post it for sale on this forum and the LF forum. Jon
 
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