Anyone Here Know Whom @ Kodak To Contact Directly Concerning Film > Ektachrome Specifically?

[DREW WILEY]

Egad! How many lumps of sugar does one need in their coffee anyway? First, super-saturated film, then a polarizer, and maybe after that, ridiculous PS saturation tweaks that make it look like the world has been sprayed with Krylon fluorescent spray paint, ala Peter Lik. Why go through all that trouble when all you need to do is develop your film in a hallucenogen?

 

[Taylor Nankervis]

^^


What's not to like about E100, polarised, in natural light, rendering natural colours?

Why would you introduce floss and artifice like warming to this?

Really, this thread speaks to me that individuals are lacking, quite profoundly, in the advanced visualisation skills to properly nuance the exposure of film to particular (as yet, unidentified) applications.

For so many years now I cannot stand Peter Lík's (or Ken Duncan's) ultra-hypersaturated unrealism take on photography, quite aside from self-inflating bio and descriptions. Seems to us that once he (and KD) discovered Fauxtoshoppe improbable possibilities, there was no stopping either from applying every affect from every bloated and blasphemous drop-down menu. What would Jesus say...?

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

However if you have a good idea for another distribution option - i.e. are offering to become another local distributor customer for Kodak Alaris - then they will be happy to hear from you.
Eastman Kodak only sells to Kodak Alaris.
Kodak Alaris only sells to local distributors.
Local distributors sell to retail.
Retail sells to you.

Eastman Kodak and all of its international subsidiaries was historically a massive international distribution and marketing corporation that had both manufacturing capacity and the capacity to get others to manufacture for it.
When the market imploded, it was the costs related to marketing and distribution that forced them into bankruptcy.
It costs far more to get a roll of film into a customer's hand then it does to actually make it. That has always been the case, no matter what the distribution model is.
The structure they use may not provide us photography enthusiasts with the least expensive film, but it does get film into the hands of way more people, all around the world, then something far smaller.

Does Eastman ship their film to Alaris for re-shipment? Or does Eastman dropship directly to Alaris' local distributors? Now that Alaris was bought by a California investment company, are there any changes planned, like buying Eastman's film division? I believe Alaris USA is right next to Eastman Kodak in Rochester, New York State. Any changes since the new owners?

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

DF, I hope you eventually get through so we can learn what you want to present to EK via KA. We really have no idea what your idea is so all I can say is : Didn't Edison get a "Nero's thumbs down" answer from the gas mantel and paraffin lamp manufacturers about the electric light bulb

pentaxuser

As a New Jerseyite, my wife and I visited Edison, NJ, where Edison had his factory, now a museum, not far from where I live. It was fascinating to tour it with all his speakers, record players, lightbulbs, movie players, and other inventions. The guy was a dedicated workaholic who worked 25 hours a day. It's amazing he found time to make kids. There are several buildings, and his factory had hundreds of employees at the time it operated. About 2000 feet away was his home, which we visited as well. It's in a rich community where others like George Westinghouse, of Electric fame, one of his friends, lived. His house was lit by natural gas with pipelines running throughout the house to feed gas lamps. You can imagine how dangerous those things were back then. Well, anyway, since his factory was already electrified, he ran heavy power lines to his house and electrified it with light bulbs. His friends and neighbors were so impressed, they got him to electrify their homes as well, which was the start of lighting the whole world electrically.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

Egad! How many lumps of sugar does one need in their coffee anyway? First, super-saturated film, then a polarizer, and maybe after that, ridiculous PS saturation tweaks that make it look like the world has been sprayed with Krylon fluorescent spray paint, ala Peter Lik. Why go through all that trouble when all you need to do is develop your film in a hallucenogen?

I like Peter Lik. I think his gallery's presentations are great, especially the pretty salesgirls.

 

[BrianShaw]

Does Eastman ship their film to Alaris for re-shipment? Or does Eastman dropship directly to Alaris' local distributors? Now that Alaris was bought by a California investment company, are there any changes planned, like buying Eastman's film division? I believe Alaris USA is right next to Eastman Kodak in Rochester, New York State. Any changes since the new owners?

Perhaps you should ask Mr Mooney these questions…

 

[pentaxuser]

Did he have a recommendation for an appropriate warming filter?

Yes a good and helpful question if I may say so Brian

pentaxuser

 

[DREW WILEY]

Ah, Alan, another sucker for that old trick... I remember back when sales organizations were all hiring foxy young gals in short skirts. Our company did the same thing; it was the trend for awhile . Some of them were smart and really did a good job, and some of them didn't. But with a contractor related audience, overall they were a distraction. So lots of companies went back to plump jolly middle aged ladies in comparable positions, who actually did a better job in most case because they got along with a wider range of "guys" with less distracting temptation or inter-guy competition involved.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

Ah, Alan, another sucker for that old trick... I remember back when sales organizations were all hiring foxy young gals in short skirts. Our company did the same thing; it was the trend for awhile . Some of them were smart and really did a good job, and some of them didn't. But with a contractor related audience, overall they were a distraction. So lots of companies went back to plump jolly middle aged ladies in comparable positions, who actually did a better job in most case because they got along with a wider range of "guys" with less distracting temptation or inter-guy competition involved.

For years, the construction industry I was in couldn't wait until the new year's calendar came out from Ridgid Tools with a hot model showing off their newest tools, month by month. Don't know if they still do it. Probably not, as it's not politically correct anymore.

Here's an example.

1987-1988 RIDGID TOOLS PIN-UP CALENDAR - 10.5 x 13.5" | eBay

1987-1988 RIDGID PIN-UP CALENDAR. What you see in the picture is the actual item for sale - unless clearly marked otherwise (ie. a bit of wear there also. FOR YOU THIS WAY. YOUR ITEM SHOULD ARRIVE IN ABOUT. ).

www.ebay.com

 

[MattKing]

Does Eastman ship their film to Alaris for re-shipment? Or does Eastman dropship directly to Alaris' local distributors? Now that Alaris was bought by a California investment company, are there any changes planned, like buying Eastman's film division? I believe Alaris USA is right next to Eastman Kodak in Rochester, New York State. Any changes since the new owners?

Who knows exactly, other than the parties involved. I expect it varies depending on markets, geography, local distributors and a variety of other factors.
It varied by market back when Kodak was in its heyday - what applied to the USA which differed for Canada which differed for the UK, or India, or Australia, or the various markets in continental Europe Asia, the African continent, etc....
But I would say there is zero likelihood that Eastman Kodak would sell their specialized coating technology and equipment - which is used for both photographic and non-photographic products. There is a lot of synergy between that coating expertise and Eastman Kodak's main business - supporting the commercial printing industry.

 

[DREW WILEY]

Oh heck, Alan, the Makita Rep who showed up was better looking than any of the Miss Makitas on their calendars; and there were better looking ones than her. She was a good dependable rep in her own right, just like any of the male pros - and quite unlike most of the mere low pay gofers and informational-useless so-called reps scurrying all over today, yet never around when you need them. Rigid itself took a nose dive once they licensed their name to Home Depot for sake of import trash like dangerous flimsy ladders - a giant tactical mistake and blow to their reputation they almost didn't recover from, although the pipe wrenches and other original offerings are still US made by themselves. If they still had calendars, they's probably shatter on delivery.

 

[DF]

Today, E100 is fine used with a polariser, either to moderate its palette or intensify it (in the right conditions in which the film delivers its best results!) — as one would do routinely with RVP and, particularly RDPIII. Another film just with a warm tinge doesn't make market or economic sense.

More saturated!?
To what means and end??

E100VS was one of the worse films to print Ilfochrome Classic from — on a par with the widely-panned Velvia 100f with its unbridled Vaudevillian palette.
VS's gaudy presentation was no better if projected. On the flip side, it did at least have beautiful crisp, clear whites and deep blacks — a characteristic that today's E100 also presents. What was Kodak thinking way back then?
Something about trying to knock the dominance of Velvia and its stablemates? A hypersaturated palette did it no favours for photographers who exposed it in a cavalier manner (e.g. very bright sun), and it fell out of favour very quickly in preference for Kodachrome, Velvia 50 / 100 and Provia 100f (another film that benefits from slight warming). I last used it, during a detailed review for the Australian Institute of Professional Photography, in August 2004.

Today, E100 is fine used with a polariser, either to moderate its palette or intensify it (in the right conditions in which the film delivers its best results!) — as one would do routinely with RVP and, particularly RDPIII. Another film just with a warm tinge doesn't make market or economic sense.

"Another film just with a warm tinge doesn't make market or economic sense" -
Okay then, true it may be.
How 'bout a survey of Ektachrome shooters " would you purchase/try if such & such were offered in a warm balance...blah...blah...?

 

[MattKing]

"Another film just with a warm tinge doesn't make market or economic sense" -
Okay then, true it may be.
How 'bout a survey of Ektachrome shooters " would you purchase/try if such & such were offered in a warm balance...blah...blah...?

There is zero chance that they would bring out a version of Ektachrome that isn't essentially the same as the motion picture variant - which would never succeed in a warmer version.
Neither still nor motion picture Ektachrome would exist without the volumes contributed by the other.

 

[mshchem]

There is zero chance that they would bring out a version of Ektachrome that isn't essentially the same as the motion picture variant - which would never succeed in a warmer version.
Neither still nor motion picture Ektachrome would exist without the volumes contributed by the other.

So what you're saying is Ektachrome in 70mm and 220, while theoretically possible, are unlikely, at least not anytime soon.

 

[Taylor Nankervis]

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How 'bout a survey of Ektachrome shooters " would you purchase/try if such & such were offered in a warm balance...blah...blah...?

Nope.
The basic problem here is a lack of technical knowledge of exposing the film being talked about — Ektachrome 100, apparently (lazily summarised)... a bit cool and needs warming up. Well, this is not the film's problem (or Kodak's!), but that of the user. You can whistle Dixie 'til the cows come home, but Kodak isn't going to fix something that isn't broken.

So, best solution is to learn to use the film competently and fluently, reading your scene and applying filtration as and when required, or when you desire. If you want a 'warmish' film with little else to add, use Velvia 50, and then again, in those conditions where it delivers the best results.


Photo: Velvia 50 in summer afternoon mixed light.
Canon EOS 1N, 24mm TS-E w/ 8°T

 

[Taylor Nankervis]

There is zero chance that they would bring out a version of Ektachrome that isn't essentially the same as the motion picture variant[...]

You don't say...
Well then, maybe we should petition the Great Yellow Father to bring back Kodachrome...

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[MattKing]

So what you're saying is Ektachrome in 70mm and 220, while theoretically possible, are unlikely, at least not anytime soon.

220 - no and never, due to the issue with leaders and trailers.
70mm - equally never, because no one would ever use positive film for the sort of motion picture that Christopher Nolan makes.

 

[DREW WILEY]

I'd like to see Kodachrome sheet film and K processing once again, but priced like 35mm film. I'm sure they'd respond to all the signatures on that petition.

 

[mshchem]

220 - no and never, due to the issue with leaders and trailers.
70mm - equally never, because no one would ever use positive film for the sort of motion picture that Christopher Nolan makes.

Didn't some nut use Ektachrome developed as a negative for a film not too long ago???

I agree that 220 would take Devine intervention. But 70mm, maybe there's a secret NASA/CIA application stash somewhere ???

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

Oh heck, Alan, the Makita Rep who showed up was better looking than any of the Miss Makitas on their calendars; and there were better looking ones than her. She was a good dependable rep in her own right, just like any of the male pros - and quite unlike most of the mere low pay gofers and informational-useless so-called reps scurrying all over today, yet never around when you need them. Rigid itself took a nose dive once they licensed their name to Home Depot for sake of import trash like dangerous flimsy ladders - a giant tactical mistake and blow to their reputation they almost didn't recover from, although the pipe wrenches and other original offerings are still US made by themselves. If they still had calendars, they's probably shatter on delivery.

There aren't too many pretty girls who can handle a screwdriver.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

Nope.
The basic problem here is a lack of technical knowledge of exposing the film being talked about — Ektachrome 100, apparently (lazily summarised)... a bit cool and needs warming up. Well, this is not the film's problem (or Kodak's!), but that of the user. You can whistle Dixie 'til the cows come home, but Kodak isn't going to fix something that isn't broken.

So, best solution is to learn to use the film competently and fluently, reading your scene and applying filtration as and when required, or when you desire. If you want a 'warmish' film with little else to add, use Velvia 50, and then again, in those conditions where it delivers the best results.


Photo: Velvia 50 in summer afternoon mixed light.
Canon EOS 1N, 24mm TS-E w/ 8°T

Great shot I love Velvia 50 Does wonders with greens.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

If you want warmer shoot Provia instead of Ektachrome.

 

[koraks]

There aren't too many pretty girls who can handle a screwdriver.

Ugh. No sexist remarks. Cut it out. Have a break from this thread; see you.

 

[DREW WILEY]

Please remove any section of the RR track where I might have derailed the direction, or else I'll do it myself later.

 

[brbo]

Didn't some nut use Ektachrome developed as a negative for a film not too long ago???

Maybe you have a TV show (Euphoria) in mind? It was shot on Ektachrome and processed in ECN-2.