.....if you buy from B&H in New York.... TMax 100 in 35mm is $1 less a roll. Tmax 400 is $1.50 less a roll than the Ilford Delta products. Kodak is also cheaper in 120 than Delta.....at B&H
With free shipping, B&H has been my go-to for years because of their selection of enlarging paper. Even now with less choice.... it's still my go-to.
Would they be country-specific, those loopholes?
It's been a while since I've received anything that wasn't intercepted and charged in accordance with our local tax law. I just keep it in mind when ordering and then it's all fine by me (or not, in which I case I just don't place the order). I guess marking a box as 'gift' might sometimes work, although I have my doubts about that...
Btw, even with taxes & fees, it might be worthwhile to get a 400ft roll of something nice from frame24. Sure, it hurts a bit, but it takes a while to shoot through 400ft in a stills camera. At least it takes me a while.
Yes, where you live matters. For the prices you quoted from a Canadian camera store near where you live, you can save some money by buying Ilford Delta over Kodak TMax. If you buy from B&H in New York, you can save a little by buying Kodak TMax over Ilford Delta.
I'm out.
I've stayed with FP4+ for years in 35mm, 120, 4x5, 5x7, and 8x10. I do buy Kodak HC-110 when I run low.
Kent in SD
Bulk Kodak is not such a great saving like before.
I'm fortunate that I'm about 10min drive from The Camera Store, and depending on exchange rates I have found their Ilford prices to be cheaper than B&H; or at least so close it's not worth my while to buy elsewhere. Or if I only need 2 rolls, I can buy it and not pay shipping. I'm happy to pay a bit more to buy locally, as they carry the liquid Ilford chemisty and that is much easier to buy locally than have shipped.It costs me more in time and money to drive 3hrs round trip to buy film....than to order from B&H.
+1, but about 15 min drive.I'm fortunate that I'm about 10min drive from The Camera Store, and depending on exchange rates I have found their Ilford prices to be cheaper than B&H; or at least so close it's not worth my while to buy elsewhere. Or if I only need 2 rolls, I can buy it and not pay shipping. I'm happy to pay a bit more to buy locally, as they carry the liquid Ilford chemisty and that is much easier to buy locally than have shipped.
I like that if I run out of something I can zip down and get it and be back printing in 30min. If I order everything from out of country that option to buy close to home may not be there in the future.
+1, but about 15 min drive.
+1, but about 15 min drive.
Maybe there are similar couriers in your country?
I understand you feel like you're doing nothing wrong, but I doubt it's in accordance with European tax law. This stipulates that VAT is paid in the country where the goods enter the EU, which in your case is Bulgaria. That you're also paying VAT in the UK does not change the fact that you should be paying VAT in Bulgaria as well.Of course I'm not avoiding tax - I pay VAT in the UK as it should be.
I doubt it. They'd have to be OK with facilitating tax evasion and breaking European import tax law.
I understand you feel like you're doing nothing wrong, but I doubt it's in accordance with European tax law. This stipulates that VAT is paid in the country where the goods enter the EU, which in your case is Bulgaria. That you're also paying VAT in the UK does not change the fact that you should be paying VAT in Bulgaria as well.
Anyway, this is not to lecture you about making wrong decisions or anything. It's confusing material, it's annoying that we have to deal with these things as mere consumers and it's not like you're running some grand tax evasion scheme or anythingAnd it's also a bit off-topic. I was just wondering if I had missed an obvious legal loophole, but it doesn't appear that way, so thanks for answering my question
One of the agreements is the avoidance of double taxation. In other words, you should not pay VAT in the UK and in an EU country at the same time on the same item.
From there on we have PERSONAL LUGGAGE delivery. This is not about trading abroad. This is the loophole.
Note that the €150 limit is EU-wide, as is the €22 small-purchase threshold below which you're not required to pay any VAT (note that this includes item price + shipping & handling costs; the total must not exceed €22).If I’m in the Netherlands, can I still purchase items from the UK online after Brexit?
Yes, you can. However, you will have to pay value-added tax (VAT) on (online) products. You will also need to pay import duties if products cost more than €150. Please keep that in mind, to avoid unexpected surprises.
Note the 'zero-rated' since VAT must be paid in the EU country from where the UK-originated purchase is performed.3. Sending goods from Great Britain to the EU
Sales to EU business customers (previously known as dispatches) will become exports. For VAT purposes, the supply will continue to be zero-rated and evidence of the movement must be kept by the seller. There will be changes to the reporting requirements for these supplies.
Sales to EU consumers will also become exports, following the same general rules as for business customers.
Note that paying VAT at the point of purchase is only possible if the seller is registered with the One Stop Shop program, which involves VAT being levied by the seller and paid to the EU country's VAT office they're registered with. Frame24 is to the best of my knowledge not registered with this program, nor has it otherwise any arrangement with an EU-based tax authority that involves Frame24 being able to levy EU VAT. Such custom arrangements are complicated to put into place and to administer and therefore well out of reach of a modest business like Frame24. That's what the One Stop Shop program is there for, but so far, it's mostly larger operations (e.g. AliExpress) that appear to participate in this.When you buy online from a non-EU country, VAT must also be paid, just as if you ordered goods that are already located within the EU. The VAT is either paid at the point of purchase on the website (for example, when you buy from a seller who is registered to use the Import One Stop Shop for VAT), or the postal operator or courier may collect the VAT from you on delivery.
From there on we have PERSONAL LUGGAGE delivery. This is not about trading abroad. This is the loophole.
I bought 400ft of Double-X a few months back because I like that look, and even here in the UK it was a bargain price. On the whole, though, I prefer Ilford products, and would do whatever the relative prices of films here.
If I was shooting Tri-X, I'd have switched to HP5+ in a heartbeat.
However I don't believe that there are any substitutes that provide the qualities of TMY-2 and TMX that I appreciate, so they continue to be my go-to, and I'll continue to invest my time in trying to get as much as I can from them.
I'd rather spend a few extra $'s on a film that I know, understand, and can predict, than burn the time to relearn, retune, and rejig my processes to adjust to a different film. Film is still relatively inexpensive, even at a few extra $'s per roll - unless one is shooting large volumes - is a relatively small part of the total cost of this hobby for many.
TCS prices are within reason for 35mm, but not so much for 120.
I gave up on 35mm bulk rolling when I realized that my inability to effectively max-out the savings due to leader and other error wastage, and the much increased likelihood of film damage and scratches during loading when done by myself - I'll happily pay the difference for perfectly rolled 35mm cartridges.
...and for me, there's no way I'd ever consider the possibility of even entertaining the idea of thinking about buying film from Amazon, for innumerable reasons.
Don't just compare the cost of two films.
It's the same with golf.
It is not that simple. And with Brexit - completely... In principle, VAT is due in the country where the transaction is made or where the final destination of the goods is. Brexit has put up barriers but not removed all agreements. The commercial agreement with the UK is 2,500 pages long. One of the agreements is the avoidance of double taxation. In other words, you should not pay VAT in the UK and in an EU country at the same time on the same item. For this purpose, in such orders, one of the parties should not charge VAT. For example, if someone from the US orders something from the EU, they should not be charged VAT. However, the chaos of Brexit makes this difficult.
Especially for my case. There's nothing wrong - I'm transacting on UK territory. The merchant is registered there, the delivery address is also there. All local taxes are paid. From there on we have PERSONAL LUGGAGE delivery. This is not about trading abroad. This is the loophole. And there is no cheating - everything is regulated by both sides. Maybe it will change in the future, maybe not.
A bit off topic - the same situation with Turkey. The EU has a customs and trade agreement with Turkey, and this is very convenient for Bulgaria and Greece, which share common borders with Turkey. The border is practically open for small traders with buses and cars, bus tours for shopping...
When I bought some gift from Harrods in London on our trip there from America in May, I was told I could fill some form out and then I could get the VAT tax reimbursed at the airport on the way back to the US. Of course, I was told that I would have to pay US import duty if VAT was waived when I got home. The process seemed too opaque. So we skipped it. The few things we bought just wasn't worth it. As it was, America customs never asked us if we were bringing in anything. Years ago, that was one of the questions they always asked on a written form. There was no form. The whole thing is very confusing.
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