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Any Differences Between Zeiss Lenses on Hasselblads vs Rollei 6x6 Cameras?

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If wanting that Zeiss look, both of these systems use their lenses. I think the Hassie's use shutters in their lenses, where as the Rollei's don't? Confirm if Im right or wrong. Im thinking about the 80mm they both offer from Zeiss. Are they basically the same lens formula, therefore give you the same look, that Zeiss look? Im debating to get a used copy of the 80mm and adapt it to my P67 (even if it vignettes), maybe a Pentax 645, or just outright buy one of these two systems. Im sure the Rollei's would be cheaper to buy. Or would they? Is one lens system better than the other (in terms of optical lens quality)? Rollei would be SL66/SLX mount.
 
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The Rolleiflex lenses have electronically controlled shutters and diaphragms, the Hasselblad versions are purely mechanical. Otherwise, the quality is the same. I prefer the Schneider versions for my Rolleiflex SLRs.
 
Rollei SLX/6000 series have an electronic shutter with a linear motor.

Rollei SL66 lenses have no shutter, except 2 specialty leaf shutter ones.

There are no adapters for P67, but people have converted the lens, or the P67 mount. P67's with converted Hasselblad mounts were available in small numbers, I've never seen one with either Rollei mount. Converting the P67 mount is easier and reversible, not so much the lens mount.
 
Looks like I'd have to get a Rollei 6x6 body then, as the Hassies are of course 4x the price. I wouldnt modify my mount on the camera bodies, as I still use native lenses on them. Be better to modify the lens itself if I was going to do it. I heard the Zeiss lenses cover 6x7.
 
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I would buy every Takumar you could find and an extra body
 
braxus said:
How so. Which camera? And what do you mean by the later focal plane shutter lenses? Which lenses are those?
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Sorry my brain is sloppy tonight. The later Hasselblad cameras that used in body focal plane shutters, thus no shutters in the lenses, like most of your Pentax lenses.
 
Some do
Pieter12 said:
The Rolleiflex lenses have electronically controlled shutters and diaphragms, the Hasselblad versions are purely mechanical. Otherwise, the quality is the same. I prefer the Schneider versions for my Rolleiflex SLRs.
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Some do, some have none
 
Just to clarify something that may or may not already be understood: the SL66 and SLX use different lens mounts; lenses are not directly interchangeable between them. If you're looking to adapt and aren't interested in the camera bodies then it's important to note you'll need a helicoid adapter to use SL66 lenses on any non-bellows camera, as the SL66 uses a bellows for focusing. SLX and 6000-series lenses have helicoids and so an adapter would be more affordable. The SLX has a much shorter flange focal distance, to the point where it is not possible to adapt the lenses to Pentax 67. The same limitation applies to Hasselblad lenses - you will not be able to adapt them to Pentax 67.

Adapting SLX or Hasselblad lenses to Pentax 645 would be possible but would require a fairly thin adapter; I am not sure if one exists. The SL66 has a very long flange focal distance, so everything short of the 120mm is retrofocus. The lenses can be used on just about any other SLR system as a result, with the reminder that the helicoid caveat exists. One other difference applies if we get into coated lenses (so SLX and later SL66 lenses), which is that Rollei used their own HFT coating instead of Zeiss' T* lens coatings.

Since you mentioned possibly getting into a Rollei system it would be worth doing some more thorough research into the SL66, SLX, and 6000-series camera before making a decision. There are substantial differences between the camera lines, and even more dramatic differences when compared to Pentax medium format SLRs. It's worth exploring the question of why, as well - Zeiss glass is great, but so is Takumar glass. I don't personally think it's worthwhile to adapt lenses across existing viable systems most of the time; the fun of adapting is in using lenses that can't be readily used otherwise. From that perspective, the SL66 is a wonderful camera even aside from the system lenses.
 
braxus said:
Im debating to get a used copy of the 80mm and adapt it to my P67 (even if it vignettes), maybe a Pentax 645, or just outright buy one of these two systems.
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Just look at flange focal distances to realise, that there is no chance to adapt Hasselblad or Rollei lenses to P67
braxus said:
Im sure the Rollei's would be cheaper to buy. Or would they? Is one lens system better than the other (in terms of optical lens quality)? Rollei would be SL66/SLX mount.
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Rollei lenses are cheaper than Hasselblad ones because of the proprietary electronic control of the leaf shutter and diaphragm, which makes it impossible to adapt them to other systems. The same applies to the Mamiya 67 system, but in this case it is the proprietary focusing mechanism requires a precise built-in helicoid.
 
Surely there are differences between the Hasselblad and Rollei 80mm lenses due to the different back focus. But they seem to share a 7/5 formula. Hassie and SLX/6000 had 2-3 variations on the 80mm.

The SLX and SL66 80mm can be adapted to P67; it's been done. SL66 mod seems straightforward; SLX not so. Could also be done on Hasseblad I suppose. All would be manual stop down.

Personally I wouldn't buy a lens just to mod it, especially to achieve an elusive "Zeiss look". The P67 lenses are all very good. Try out the 2.8/90; plenty of character and not a big difference vs. 80mm FOV.
 


Pentax 67 modified for Hasselblad lenses, with a Planar 2/110F (2000/200 series lens with no leaf shutter). This is the lens that made this modification desirable, as Pentax lenses more than covered the rest of the range. Arguably, the 2.5/105 was just as good, I'd almost say the early radioactive 2.5/105 was better (!).

These modified Pentax 67 bodies use to be relatively cheap, but the prices have gone up (like everything else), especially for the 67ii. Modifying the P67 body was a no-brainer back then, the Zeiss lenses were worth more than the P67 bodies, and modifying the body was reversible, modifying the Zeiss lenses was not, which would make then unusable on any Hasselblad.
 
I'll point out that the Rollei SL66 lenses were optically the same as the Hasselblad 500 series lenses, the SL66 may have had a longer flange distance, but the mirror was the same size, the lens just mounted deep into the flange. The Zeiss SLX lenses were also optically the same.

Also, from and adaption point of view, the Hasselblad lenses are easier, as they are mechanical. The SLX/6000 lenses have an electronic aperture (high current linear motor driven), which has to be replaced with a mechanical one. The SL66 lenses need a focusing helicoid.
 

I meant the adapter solution, not the complicated mount exchange.
 
OAPOli said:
Surely there are differences between the Hasselblad and Rollei 80mm lenses due to the different back focus. But they seem to share a 7/5 formula. Hassie and SLX/6000 had 2-3 variations on the 80mm.
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80mm is Carl Zeiss Planar both on Hasselblad and Rollei. How can it differ between each other? Do you mean the 80mm Xenotar made by Schneider Kreuznach?
 
Alexander6x6 said:
80mm is Carl Zeiss Planar both on Hasselblad and Rollei. How can it differ between each other? Do you mean the 80mm Xenotar made by Schneider Kreuznach?
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The most common version of Zeiss 80mm Hassie/SLX/SL is a 7/5 formula. Could be the same exact lenses but remounted.

Zeiss Hasselbald had 3 versions of the 80mm Planar. I thought SLX had a few but the Rolleigon/Apogon weren't made by Zeiss, I think.
 
The Schneider 80mm AF is a special design for the autofocus mechanism of the Rollei cameras (6008AF and Hy6).
 
OAPOli said:
The most common version of Zeiss 80mm Hassie/SLX/SL is a 7/5 formula. Could be the same exact lenses but remounted.
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It is always the same lens made by Carl Zeiss. The lens housing was made by Rollei.
OAPOli said:
Zeiss Hasselbald had 3 versions of the 80mm Planar.
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I can't follow you. The Planar's optical scheme has never been changed. There have only been improvements, including T* multicoating and, if I recall correctly, better characteristics for digital sensors.
OAPOli said:
I thought SLX had a few but the Rolleigon/Apogon weren't made by Zeiss, I think.
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According to some sources, Rolleigon lenses were made in cooperation with Carl Zeiss in 1970s. They were produced for the Rolleiflex 6002 - the HFT Rolleigons f4/50 mm, f2.8/80 mm and f4/150 mm.

Apogon was made by Franke & Heidecke, but it is 120mm macro lens.
 
There are also the zeiss planars intended for graflex xl 80mm 2.8 and 100mm 2.8 (as well as heligons noritars and xenotars)
 
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