Welcome James! It'll be good to have information directly from the source.
I find it interesting that this thread just came up in my posts, as I have been a bit obsessed with ORWO (albeit vintage) products as of late.
Thank you! My name is James, by the way. I'm from ORWO and will be keeping you all updated with the latest developments.
Sir, you are very welcome and thank you for accepting the invitation to attend yourself and creating an official account for your organization to answer the photographers’ inquiries.Yes the rumours are true. After tons of requests, we have decided to release a completely new color cine film line. The world needs choice!
It’s a bit daunting to be setting up as the only alternative to the giant behemoth that is Kodak; but we are convinced that this is what is necessary to make film thrive, not just survive. Creative people need a range of canvases. They need options!
We have been deep in R&D throughout the last 2 years and are planning to launch pre-selling as soon as possible, with the first films being ready for shipping in the second quarter of 2022.
More details will be coming very soon...
There was a man here who was considered one of the well-known industrial experts in the global analog photographic industry, and this man responded to my post and said that it was just rumors that appeared in a yellow newspaper, and we should not care about those rumors,,Yes the rumours are true. After tons of requests, we have decided to release a completely new color cine film line. The world needs choice!
It’s a bit daunting to be setting up as the only alternative to the giant behemoth that is Kodak; but we are convinced that this is what is necessary to make film thrive, not just survive. Creative people need a range of canvases. They need options!
We have been deep in R&D throughout the last 2 years and are planning to launch pre-selling as soon as possible, with the first films being ready for shipping in the second quarter of 2022.
More details will be coming very soon...
I was the one who brought this official to this forum. I contacted him repeatedly and asked him to come to this forum to answer the photographers' inquiries.Thanks for the clarification! And warm welcome to Photrio!
We are waiting for Mr. James to arrive from last March.Well ,, I will bring you a representative of the company and its spokesperson, called Mr. James, and all skeptics can ask him about all the economic and physical questions ,,, far from dreams ,,
Let us see who provides the arguments and proofs about the validity of his position and the know-how that he has made regarding the matter.
You should thank me too.
God bless you, thank you for your kind words.You deserve full credit for your untiring effort.
Processing will be ECN-2Given they're aiming their new color stock at the cine market, I think it's likely this will be ECN-2 process with remjet.
Which is fine; remjet isn't that hard to deal with once you know how, and ECN-2 films usually work well enough in C-41 (or ECN-2 color dev isn't hard to mix if you have access to CD-3).
It is not intended to provide chemistry (ECN2), we all here can prepare that chemistry with our own hands in our homes.Processing will be ECN-2
Given they're aiming their new color stock at the cine market, I think it's likely this will be ECN-2 process with remjet.
Which is fine; remjet isn't that hard to deal with once you know how, and ECN-2 films usually work well enough in C-41 (or ECN-2 color dev isn't hard to mix if you have access to CD-3).
@mohmad khatab I think you'd be ahead to learn to deal with remjet; then you can buy Visions3 and the new ORWO color stocks at cine distributor prices (in 120 m rolls) and load into cassettes with common bulk loaders after rolling down to standard 30.5 m length. Part of why Cinestill films are so expensive is the cost of having Kodak produce them without the remjet (and in 120 width without perfs). It's probably not going to be economical for ORWO to produce a special version of their color stock, at least at first; movie production is where the volume is that makes it worthwhile to create that kind of film, and they need the remjet.
From what I've seen on YouTube, remjet removal isn't difficult -- 38C water with sodium carbonate dissolved (washing soda, we'd call that here in the USA, not the bicarbonate/hydrogen carbonate that's baking soda). Fill the tank, agitate vigorously and continuously for a while (a couple minutes?), pour off, then rinse with same temperature water, fill and drain as needed until the rinse runs clear; that'll remove enough remjet to keep it off the emulsion during processing, and you can rub the rest off with wet fingers under running water after processing and washing the film.
I will not talk much about this, so as not to be punished again so that my account in the forum will be activated again..
I will be smart this time.
However, I hope everyone who was fiercely opposed to the idea of (ORWO) returning to produce a color film, I hope that these opponents have literary and scientific courage and can apologize for being opposed to this idea without scientific evidence.
A respectable person, a noble person, a person of high morals, should apologize if the days prove that his point of view was wrong. And if he does not apologize, he is not worthy of respect at all.
So I asked Mr. James again and again to set up a branch or office for them in Egypt.
There was a man here who was considered one of the well-known industrial experts in the global analog photographic industry, and this man responded to my post and said that it was just rumors that appeared in a yellow newspaper, and we should not care about those rumors,,
We can put pressure on Mr. James and corner him, and ask him to bring members of the forum a special discount on their products.
I was the one who brought this official to this forum.
It is not intended to provide chemistry (ECN2), we all here can prepare that chemistry with our own hands in our homes.
The requirement is to provide long film reels and small film rolls (36 photos) similar to Cine Steel films.
So that the small roll (36 images) is free of a layer of ((Remjet)), just like the film (Sine Steel), and the large rollers (include a layer of Remjet).
Processing will be ECN-2
Thank you! My name is James, by the way. I'm from ORWO and will be keeping you all updated with the latest developments.
Hello my dear brother ,,You are the only person here who must apologize!
Because you are again spreading lies. No one here was opposed to the idea of InovisCoat (now being under the same roof with FilmoTec who is using the ORWO brand) returning to color film production. Just the opposite! We all know here that InovisCoat is producing color film for years (for Lomography, the creative film line).
The experts here have explained to you that it is unrealistic that they could produce a highest quality color film on the Fuji / Kodak level at 'half the market price'. You have always claimed here that such an extremely cheap color film is possible, and that the current manufacturers are ripping us of. But that is just a conspiracy theory, and has nothing to do with reality!
InovisCoat/FilmoTec/ORWO cannot escape the technological and economical market realities. And they have to ask for a price that not only covers their daily costs, but also enable them to invest in machinery and maintenance, and human resources to stay in business in the long term.
And that simply does not work at all if you try to offer a color film for only 2-3€.
First, how do you know that it is a small company?And as the ORWO guys are clever people, they will not do that because it would hurt them very much financially. They are a very small company, trying to gaining strength and establishing in a new way in the market. They have to set very strict priorities at such a challenging period of their business!
That means concentrating strictly on their most important markets: North America, Europe and Asia. These markets are decisive for their success.
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