Henning, Wouldn't you agree that access to the required chemistry is a bigger hurdle than confectioning / slitting and perfing the webs? Kodak and Fuji have the entire synthesis locked up and nobody is making the dye couplers, interlayer scavengers, or even the sensitizers anymore. Slitting/perfing and confectioning webs is something that quite a few facilities that specialize in r2r processing would be able to do, granted they'd need to retool. Battery manufacturing requires much of the same reel 2 reel tooling that film companies used to use, ditto with solar panels.If you expect these potential new colour films to be cheaper than the current cheap colour films from Fujifilm and Kodak (like C200 and ColorPlus 200), then you will be disappointed.
Because InovisCoat cannot undercut these Fujifilm and Kodak prices. It is impossible, both from a technological and economic perspective ( I have visited that factory).
Fujifilm and Kodak have technological cost advantages like one-pass coating and own, huge confectioning capabilities, and economical advantages like much better economies of scale because of demand and production of many million units of their cheap films p.a..
InovisCoat cannot compete with that. They of course know that and don't want to compete in that very difficult and competitive market segment.
And one general assassment about this topic:
Fujicolor C200 is currently the cheapest colour film here in Europe. In Germany I pay 3.99€ for one film. If I consider inflation, which is the only economically correct way of calculation of prices over long time periods, then I pay less today compared to 30 years ago. Film processing and RA-4 prints are also cheaper here than 30 years ago.
And if we look at the film revival globally, we see that there is a huge increase in film demand not only in the industrialized countries, but also in the developing and NIC countries with significantly less income per capita.. For example there is a strong boom in film photography in low(er) income countries like Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, Phillipines, Georgia, Russia, China etc..
That is a clear indicator that at least the cheaper film types are affordable for film photographers in these low(er) income countries.
Best regards,
Henning
Henning, Wouldn't you agree that access to the required chemistry is a bigger hurdle than confectioning / slitting and perfing the webs?
Kodak and Fuji have the entire synthesis locked up and nobody is making the dye couplers, interlayer scavengers, or even the sensitizers anymore.
Slitting/perfing and confectioning webs is something that quite a few facilities that specialize in r2r processing would be able to do, granted they'd need to retool.
I will never be disappointed,If you expect these potential new colour films to be cheaper than the current cheap colour films from Fujifilm and Kodak (like C200 and ColorPlus 200), then you will be disappointed.
Because InovisCoat cannot undercut these Fujifilm and Kodak prices. It is impossible, both from a technological and economic perspective ( I have visited that factory).
Fujifilm and Kodak have technological cost advantages like one-pass coating and own, huge confectioning capabilities, and economical advantages like much better economies of scale because of demand and production of many million units of their cheap films p.a..
InovisCoat cannot compete with that. They of course know that and don't want to compete in that very difficult and competitive market segment.
And one general assassment about this topic:
Fujicolor C200 is currently the cheapest colour film here in Europe. In Germany I pay 3.99€ for one film. If I consider inflation, which is the only economically correct way of calculation of prices over long time periods, then I pay less today compared to 30 years ago. Film processing and RA-4 prints are also cheaper here than 30 years ago.
And if we look at the film revival globally, we see that there is a huge increase in film demand not only in the industrialized countries, but also in the developing and NIC countries with significantly less income per capita.. For example there is a strong boom in film photography in low(er) income countries like Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, Phillipines, Georgia, Russia, China etc..
That is a clear indicator that at least the cheaper film types are affordable for film photographers in these low(er) income countries.
Best regards,
Henning
mohmadd.khattab
There are some photographic experts who say that you are lying about the story that you are going to produce a color negative film.
They say that you do not have the technical equipment (coating machine) that allows you to produce film color (positive or negative).
And these experts may mean to accuse you of being liars and fraudsters.
What is your practical response to these accusations?
Are you crooks and liars or are they honest and truthful,
If you are honest and honest, where is the practical evidence that proves your ability to produce a film color?
Where is your trial production.
When can your products be put up for sale to the public?
What you say is what you probably want to read, not what is written in this thread..
Not sure if this is Orwo's official Facebook page, maybe somebody like @Henning Serger can confirm.
I apologize for the bad english.He is relying on machine translation and I don't think it works perfectly when filtered through twice. Give him the benefit of the doubt.
I will teach you a lesson we will never forget ,, I swear to you ..
Well at least that explains why relistan used a quote from the said member which I searched for and couldn't find and was beginning to wonder if relistan has misquoted and what exactly led up to the very aggressive reply from MohamedThe attacks were brought to my attention after the moderators edited them out. If I had seen them, I would have immediately reported them.
If I'm remembering correctly, the ownership of the filmotec/inoviscoat and lomo are all familyHere is quite some misinformation.
At least the connection of Inoviscoat to those "new" investors reaches back years ago.
That's the problem when something is cut out for what may be good reasons. It leaves some people who only occasionally check on a threads progress puzzled as to what drew the response it got but I admit I don't have a ready made answer as to what the ideal solution is
Here is quite some misinformation.
At least the connection of Inoviscoat to those "new" investors reaches back years ago.
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