Another new film from Lomo - Babylon 13

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It's just getting sooooo predictable... zzzzz
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Andrew I have a spare "bitter almond " pill if worse comes to the worst and we have to end it all but it is probably illegal to send it through the post

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A British Butcher shop just reopened in my neighbourhood. East Indian chap running it. He's doing his best but has large shoes to fill since the Manchester dude packed it in. No black pudding, sadly, but boxes of crisps. What's your flavour?
 

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Between Fantóme, Babylon, Berlin and Potsdam Kino films, that's 4 "new" films by Lomography.
Who else does so much to market and promote film?
I will probably not use these films myself, but it's great to have the variety and choice.
I look forward to seeing all the results posted here.
 

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A British Butcher shop just reopened in my neighbourhood. East Indian chap running it. He's doing his best but has large shoes to fill since the Manchester dude packed it in. No black pudding, sadly, but boxes of crisps. What's your flavour?
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Difficult to say. For a long time I tended to favour the nuanced nostalgia of cheese and onion but these days I have embraced more modern stuff and probably smoky bacon is the one I tend to choose the most.

Really good black pudding is difficult to find even in its home of the U.K. The best has a kind of moody monochromatic look and processed with decent chips dipped in acetic acid( not of course citric acid) it is superb. Does my preference for strong acetic acid make me a Kodak man?

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Yes, but we should not overestimate Lomography's hassle. From all assumed here, they just have to order off-the shelf film and spool it into cassettes, at worst they have to order custom signing.
Their actual hassle is the marketing with the respective wording.
 

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I'm dying for some black pudding. The previous owner made it in house, and sliced them nice and thick for me.
PS. Bored stiff so watched your videos. Very entertaining. When's your next one?
 
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One's fartitude is determined by act not age.

But don't worry, I know you were kidding. Because no-one could seriously confuse Ilford HP5 with Babylon 13 and cross shop them, and no-one also would seriously think they can do a better job at marketing film that Lomography..


Back to the film - just finished the roll shooting random stuff around town just so I can see what it looks like. Will have it developed tomorrow, and should have results to post here by tomorrow evening.
I really like Fantome. If this looks like Fantome at a stop faster, then it would be a winner.
 

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foc said:
Who else does so much to market and promote film?
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Film Photography Project, perhaps. Among other subjects close to my experience base, they've recently started offering 3D printed Minolta 16 cassettes and short rolls (25 feet) of 16mm film for refilling them. They're also supporting Double 8 and Super 8, 127 -- I'm slightly surprised they haven't found anyone to roll 828 for them. I need to loosen up the shutter in my Bantam RF, but I might buy a few rolls of 828 if it were offered, since cutting it from 120 is much more wasteful than cutting 127 (which yields a 16mm strip besides -- long enough for two Minolta 16 reloads).
 

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I still want to know where Pentaxuser is getting HP5+ for $4 a roll.

I don't understand the hate for Lomography. Sure, a lot of their products and their "philosophy" don't sit well with many of us here. I have no use for film that has been fogged or pre-exposed with streaks of light or which is redscale. But you know what? Lots of people do and those films kept the coaters going during the dark times....kept the labs going....kept up manufacture of 35mm cassettes and 120 backing paper. Lomography tapped into a market none of us even knew existed and did their bit to keep the film industry alive. And for that I will always thank them. Lomography also single handedly saved the 110 format (well...with a little help likely from Kodak).

Now they're a more mature company they also market some truly decent film products. These "kino" films are not really gimmicky, and aren't like anything else on the market. So they fill a little niche. Why crap on Lomography for doing that?
 

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But don't worry, I know you were kidding. r.
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About taking the bitter almond piIl, you mean? You won't be saying that when the wife posts a copy of my obituary on Photrio It will go something like this"He died of acute fartitude but thought such a condition was only mild flatulence. He did not realise the serious and terminal nature of fartitude but at least he learned of a new word before he departed

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Just developed it. And it says Orwo DN21 on the film strip! So no mystery who makes this film!

The Fantome had no markings.
 

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That and thinking it is an equivalent film.
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I never quoted $4 a roll. I had mentioned what the price was for this film in the U.K. where I am and as I said the price is £8.50. OK the HP5 in a 36 frame roll is the equivalent of just over £5. My point in making the price comparison was simply to say that Ilford has borne the total cost of HP5 and still manages to sell it at about £3 cheaper. It also has the added advantage of being 5 stops faster plus the added ability to be pushed to 1600 successfully

Lomography simply buys in stock of existing older films cine, cuts it into rolls and then calls it something exotic for £3.50 more with a description that talks a lot about the film but says very little of real value.

I had thought that it was obvious that I was not making a direct film comparison between the two films per se but seemingly not

However if you feel that the discovery of a "new" film every few weeks is worth the money being asked then fine.

I do hope that you buy current film as well. Film's long term future is bleak if we do not support makers such as Ilford, Foma, Fuji, Kodak,Adox and Ferrania

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I still want to know where you're getting your HP5+ for £5 per 36 exposure roll. The cheapest price I found after checking four suppliers was £5.46 not including VAT so the total price is over £6.50. Then you add postage. My local camera shop sells it for £6.99 per roll. Unless you're talking about rolling cassettes from bulk loads. Then you can get the cost down to under £4 per roll if you shop carefully.

I don't see how the properties of HP5+ are relevant. Sure, when I want a 400 ISO film that I can push to 3200 I use HP5+.....I buy it in 100 foot rolls and use a lot of it. It' a wonderful film. Nobody would use it for the same style of photography that they'd use Fantome or Babylon for.

But one might as well say a Mercedes is better at getting you comfortably from A to B than a turnip is.
 

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I have shot a few lomography color films. I enjoyed shooting Lomochrome Turquoise which gives every shot a Martian look, but didn't like Lomochrome Purple at all. Their B&W films have never really interested me as there are already a large number of specialty B&W films.

In the past, I might have picked up a roll or two to play with, but I am so far behind in shooting the film I already have that I'll pass this time around.
 

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Thanks for the reply Agulliver but it is clear that despite what I said in my reply you chose to ignore what I said and seem to want to concentrate on the film comparison. I have no idea how to explain in any more clear a fashion what I was trying to say which won't simply "feed the fire" of confusion and indignation further .

So I'll stop now and declare that while I have never used either as a mode of transport I do believe that you are right about the Mercedes being a more comfortable ride than a turnip.

Occasionally we of the "Fartitude" club do strenuously debate matters and in our more heated moments can disagree emphatically with one another. Thus demonstrating that not all farts are the same even if non farts think we do tend to be almost identical . The Mercedes and turnip line may well come in handy during one of our curmudgeonly debates

Thanks

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Back on topic, I've developed the film and will put up results today. To reiterate, it is not an ISO 400 film, but an ISO 13-ish film. So will look and behave nothing like an ISO 400 film, in case anyone is cross-shopping while on their way to the Mercedes dealership riding a turnip.

FYI where I am it is easier to buy Lomo Babylon 13 than turnips. I never really liked turnips so that is ok.
 

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I'm sensing another thread pivot towards the difficulty of acquiring turnips
 

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Wallendo said:
Their B&W films have never really interested me as there are already a large number of specialty B&W films.
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You haven't lost or missed anything, because in most cases the Lomography BW films are just repackaged films of other manufacturers, but mostly even at higher prices.
It is better to buy the original films from Foma, FilmoTec / ORWO or Kodak and save the money, which can be invested in buying more films in total. Better value for you.
 

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foc said:
Between Fantóme, Babylon, Berlin and Potsdam Kino films, that's 4 "new" films by Lomography."
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But in fact the films are not new at all. They have been available for years. Babylon, Potsdam and Berlin are just regular FilmoTec (ORWO Brand name) films (Fantome could be some Tasma or Kodak film). They have been available directly via FilmoTec and their distribution partners for everyone who was interested. Fresh film, by the way (whereas Lomo Potsdam is long expired film as Lomo has officicially said). Some of them had also been available as repackaged film, like FilmoTec N74+, which was in the Bergger BRF 400 boxes.

foc said:
Who else does so much to market and promote film?
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Kodak, Ilford. Fuji, Adox and Film Ferrania as well as lots of film distributors like Fotoimpex, ars-imago etc. and lots of labs like The Darkroom certainly do a much better and more serious job in marketing film than Lomography does. Look at their presence and activities on instagram, youtube, facebook.

The problems with Lomo's marketing are especially
- They are focussing on film flaws like light leaks, scratches, dust, color shifts, defects from expired films etc. and are saying that these disadvantages are typical for film photography. Which is wrong. I have used film for decades without such "features". They are part of the Lomo mindset. And that is a huge difference.
- The way they are describing their films is so exaggerated "marketing bla blah like" and far from reality that lots of users are disappointed when they see the results. I have experienced this so often with young film photographers in our local photographer community.
- You can get lots of their repackaged films significantly cheaper in their original form. So you can buy more films with your film budget. That is much better for our real film producers, as it means higher demand and higher production volume.
 
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