And the backing paper plague hits Bergger...

foc said:

Maybe the phrase "shoot fresh and shoot often" is a good one.

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I don't know why I have to keep saying this but again. I purchased fresh film. It arrived. I shot one roll. It had the mottling problem. The expiry date is 2022.

I attributed this to the pyro dev initially but now the problem is occuring with XTol and other developers. Bergger is replacing all my film.

Re all the quotes about 'not refrigerating' and not having a problem. Before Calumet shut down I got to tour their store in Chicago. They had a giant refrigeration chamber for...you guessed it...film. In the PDF for Kodak Portra film they go as far as to show a table for warm up times from...yup...refrigeration! (https://imaging.kodakalaris.com/sites/prod/files/files/resources/e4050_portra_400.pdf) So you may not refrigerate your film but odds are it was refrigerated before you bought it.

I would agree that refrigerating in date B&W film is probably overkill for it's storage needs, but doing so should not damage the film.

I think there is just a knee jerk forum response sometimes which is to blame the victim of bad QA.

It seems to me that you might’ve confusing reports of past personal experience with criticism. I’d rethink that I’d I were you. You’d feel better and, perhaps, have a more tolerant public perception. Or you could ignore this well-intentioned advice. It’s all the same to me.

you’re right, Calumet and everybody else always did, and still do, refrigerate professional film. I’m not sure if it’s the same temp as we keep our milk, but it’s refrigerated cold.

I was glad to hear that you at least got replacement film. Sorry about the loss of photos, though. In the end, a happy marriage is all that counts!

NortheastPhotographic said:

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I think there is just a knee jerk forum response sometimes which is to blame the victim of bad QA.

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Sorry. I was not criticizing you in any way and I don't think anybody else was either. I felt like the conversation had kinda drifted away from the specific problem you presented to a more general tack of how these kinda problems might happen.

Glad to hear that the mfgr has replaced the affected product. I guess we all kinda expected them to though.

BradS said:

+1 except I never put film in the freezer...just seems like such a bad idea.

...but people have their religious beliefs.

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Not religion. I was advised at Kodak to refreeze film. I know about refrigeration before I worked there.

Sirius Glass said:

Not religion. I was advised at Kodak to refreeze film. I know about refrigeration before I worked there.

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Well...I'd sincerely like to engage you in a friendly conversation on photography and whatever else we might find interesting...maybe, someday when things settle down a bit, we can meet for beers or coffee or whatever and enrich each others lives for a few minutes.

I general manufacturers advised to keep their professional colour films stored in the refridgerator to keep its response close to that it left the plant with. And that is why dealers aimed at commercial customers did so too.

BradS said:

Well...I'd sincerely like to engage you in a friendly conversation on photography and whatever else we might find interesting...maybe, someday when things settle down a bit, we can meet for beers or coffee or whatever and enrich each others lives for a few minutes.

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Well I do not drink coffee we can find something to drink. Meeting would be good.