Not everyone who shoots black and white film shoots color film, so it might not end up being a case of "Everyone" jumping to Fuji for color film.
As for the other statement about Kodak, I am glad you said that, I would like to address something that you said in which Mirko gave it to you straight:
"Ive seen that Kodak Alaris isnt really caring any more about its film community. They just provide whats necessary, or at least that is what they have told."
This is not based on fact now is it, this is an opinion of yours that was posed as a question. If you search my past posts, you will find that I defend Kodak a LOT because of how they continue to take a bashing when they are still making and stocking some of the very best films in the world at *very* reasonable prices. You even post a link to the Kodak Professional FB page on your own FB page and then state this, kind of not-so-cool, right?
I encourage you to actually write or call some of the folks at Kodak and address what you asked Mirko, that way you can get facts. Because I think you are on a good path with the encouragement of young folks who are not worn out and jaded like other film users are.
You are doing good work, you owe it to your self...
Thanks. I'm not against Kodak, as I'm shooting Kodak exclusively actually... Switching to Ilford though. I'd love to help Kodak but I want to have some questions answered before I do so.
I'm 21, buying a lot of film gear. (as a student) If there's no film anymore available, then I've spent all my money on nothing, could have just shot on digital but I like film so much more. So I'm trying to boost this economy in every single way I can.
Because despite what many fist pounding folks on here may *think* they are entitled to...
Interesting, so let me get this straight, you are currently using Kodak films, obviously getting the results you want, what more info could you possibly want then?
Because despite what many fist pounding folks on here may *think* they are entitled to, there is NO business in photography that needs to roll out the red carpet of disclosure of proprietary business info such as product roadmaps. Am I interested in if I will be able to get TMY2 in 5-10 years?...sure I am. But I know it is pointless to ask them if that will be the case because it is ***Proprietary Business Information*** that I have no right as the consumer to demand of any company.
And what on earth makes you think for a minute that there will be no more film??? Ilford who is TRULY an exceptional circumstance in terms of corporate PR will be trucking right along because in terms of analog consumables, they have it taken care of front to back. This site is the ONLY one Simon Galley participates in, not Photo.net, not LFF, Leica User Forum or any other. So his much valued presence on here represents an ****EXCEPTION****, not something you can or even should expect from any other photography company. Full stop...
So write or call Thomas Mooney, Audrey Jonckheer or anyone else you locate the contact for at Kodak and fire away your questions. They will be more than happy to reply to them and supply you with an answer that they are permitted to....just like Ilford. If they can not satisfy your inquiry due to what are VERY common ( Apple, Nikon, Canon, Leica ) internal policies about product roadmaps, then it is up to you if you want to conclude your use of their products based on something I would consider rather counterproductive if you truly enjoy their films.
Kodak, like all other analog film-related companies (both equipment and supplies) lost the vast majority of their customers and revenue to digital photography years ago. And the number one remaining film consumer fear since that happened has been the loss of sustainability of whatever analog products each were still using.
That's been the driving, highly emotional bottom line concern for everyone now for years. It's what keeps them awake at night. It's what dominates the conversations here on APUG. It's what makes them think long and hard about where to spend their film photography money. That fear is everywhere. And only getting worse as time goes by.
Ken
Just nick-picking, but it is HarmAn. If you go to the Ilford Photo site, you'll learned where the name comes from.
Dear Jessestr,
Photo film and paper is a very important medium ( be it colour or monochrome ).
Many people have contributed to this thread with very valid points.
Photography, especially film photography ( I'm talking now about monochrome ) is a 'niche', and always was in as much as the mass market ( everyone who actually took photographs who were not 'involved' within an artistic or creative bent ) and we are now left with a passionate, dedicated, knowledgeable and creative group of photographers young and old, professional or hobbyist, across a huge spectrum from education to the highest level of photo fine art. That market has a size and a value that can sustain the manufacture of ultra high quality film and silver gelatin paper from a 'range' of manufacturers. Even more importantly it has role to play within the context of photography going back to its origins, our type of photography is very IMPORTANT, what we create will last and as such has implications from a social history perspective to the preservation of the 'art' of 'real' photography.
So what you do is important, and whatever you do DO NOT WORRY silver film and paper will be around for many, many decades.
Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited
So what you do is important, and whatever you do DO NOT WORRY silver film and paper will be around for many, many decades.
Kodak, like all other analog film-related companies (both equipment and supplies) lost the vast majority of their customers and revenue to digital photography years ago. And the number one remaining film consumer fear since that happened has been the loss of sustainability of whatever analog products each were still using.
That's been the driving, highly emotional bottom line concern for everyone now for years. It's what keeps them awake at night. It's what dominates the conversations here on APUG. It's what makes them think long and hard about where to spend their film photography money. That fear is everywhere. And only getting worse as time goes by.
but in any case that lack of visibility does leave many of us with worries we don't have about Ilford.
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This is the bottom line, be positive, confident that monochrome analog materials will outlive even digital as we currently know it. There is simply no reason at this point to even be skeptical, it's an exciting future to behold, not even digital camera makers have it this good!
If one worries all the time, gets all too tied up into the nuts and bolts of what films are here and which ones are gone, about to be gone, how much they cost, then that translates into skepticism. And that in turn, could make a possible film newcomer or one who is returning to it after a digital hiatus, another skeptic.
I engage people into the B&W analog realm by being 100% positive about my future with it. They in turn, feed off of my passion and excitement. This is why I really push the notion of avoiding industry topics with are overly critical or negative tones, being positive simply works!
Dear Jessestr,
Photo film and paper is a very important medium ( be it colour or monochrome ).
Many people have contributed to this thread with very valid points.
Photography, especially film photography ( I'm talking now about monochrome ) is a 'niche', and always was in as much as the mass market ( everyone who actually took photographs who were not 'involved' within an artistic or creative bent ) and we are now left with a passionate, dedicated, knowledgeable and creative group of photographers young and old, professional or hobbyist, across a huge spectrum from education to the highest level of photo fine art. That market has a size and a value that can sustain the manufacture of ultra high quality film and silver gelatin paper from a 'range' of manufacturers. Even more importantly it has role to play within the context of photography going back to its origins, our type of photography is very IMPORTANT, what we create will last and as such has implications from a social history perspective to the preservation of the 'art' of 'real' photography.
So what you do is important, and whatever you do DO NOT WORRY silver film and paper will be around for many, many decades.
Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited
Post of the year, maybe the decade!
I highly doubt it is as many people as some might like to believe, for example, I know a lot of people who shoot analog materials who are not even on this site, they are not worried, they just create great work. Now if you mean "Many of us" in terms of the two dozen most prolific posters on APUG, well then it might *seem* like a lot, when it is still not...
It's good to know that black and white film will last, but what about color? I could move to *igital if I had to, it's not my first choice. My personal favorite is E-6, and that is most definitely in danger of disappearing.
I like the attitude! Maybe I should start giving those people more positive energy too, and just stop worrying about it.
Most f the people I know shoot color. I'm the only one of my friends who shoot black & white all the time. Sometimes color.
So I guess there's a big market in color too because of the wedding photographers.
Our wedding photogs are dropping like flies after being sprayed with nerve gas. Most brides have the camphone shots of the guests emailed to them before flying away for honeymoon. All the Wphotogs I know did/do dvideo or digital stills, e.g. Leica M9, so top end of market brides marrying footballers, etc. It was absent last year maybe it has picked up with housing market.
Ive not seen a film photog at a wedding for years.
My last colour film was one agfa vista in 2013.
We are simply customers
Yes and no. I think that Adox and Ilford are looking at as not as just customers - but also as a partners in mutual benefit. I am saying this because Mirko and Simon are also one of us - they shot B&W, develop silver gelatin prints - they have more than just profit in this. They have love for this - same as we.
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