All my papers are suddenly fogged?!

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cirwin2010

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Obviously my testing methodology isn't perfect. I didn't use the same type of developer for example. I have some liquidol arriving in the mail sometime this week which I might play around with.
 

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Maybe someone can chime in on how longer paper is good for, especially papers like Fomatone and Retrobrom.
I've kept Fomatone paper around for years without seeing any ill effects, using Ilford Multigrade developer. I can't give an upper bound as I first discovered the Foma papers in 2020, and sheets from the first batch I bought still works well.
 

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coin on it to be exposed by the safelights for 5 minutes. If the shadow from the coin appeared then the safelights were exposing the paper

That doesn't tell the full story - but for otherwise unexposed paper strips tested for fog it's an adequate test. It doesn't tell you, however, if your safelight really is safe for 5 minutes. There can still be contrast influences.
 

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It's a good idea to get fresh paper and do your test again. I understand the concern and will keep my fingers crossed.
 

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cirwin2010,

As I mentioned in my earlier post, I had similar problems with Liquidol. I do not believe that it is fogging, but rather staining. Fresh stop bath and a water rinse before the fix helps with this somewhat. Using fresh fix helps a lot too; the staining seems to be worse in older fixer.

The staining seems to be caused by carried-over developer reacting with the fixer somehow. I'm not sure of the exact mechanism.

At any rate, I found that other print developers did not have this problem, so just let Liquidol go. It was more trouble than it was worth. I like the results I get with ID-62 better anyway.

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Doremus
 
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Consider that many paper emulsions have developers embedded in them. Maybe those different developers react differently with liquidol and multigrade liquid developers...
Maybe some papers have alittle bit of restrainers in them, who knows...
 

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I've been using foma papers for many years now
Do yourself a favor and buy a small refrigerator to keep your paper in. I make my own developer and fixer from bulk chemicals
Simple to make up and always fresh...I discard after use. Why people insist on paying to ship water I'll never understand. Plus it's way cheaper
 
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... Why people insist on paying to ship water I'll never understand. Plus it's way cheaper
Agreed for the most part. The only reasons I can think of are: buying pre-mixed toxic developers (e.g., PMK) or toners/stop baths because you don't want to handle the more dangerous chemicals yourself when mixing and buying rapid fixer concentrates (since getting ammonium thiosulfate in dry form is difficult and it doesn't like to keep well that way or other difficult-to-formulate things just for the convenience.

I get a few things shipped in liquid form, Kodak Indicator Stop (just for the convenience) and Rapid Selenium Toner as well as rapid fixer concentrates. I used to get HC-110. That and Rodinal are probably still good to get in liquid form.

Best,

Doremus
 
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