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Target - depends. When I lived in NJ they did dev and scans for $2 and did a decent job. When I moved here to PA, I tried them twice. Both times they cost $8 for dev and scans, and they somehow managed to expose the first 4 or 5 frames (yes it was them, not me). Then they stopped doing in house processing.
I found that prices fluctuate at different stores, and sometimes, depending on who's working, at the same store. The people working sometimes get confused if I don't order prints and just want scans.
I found that prices fluctuate at different stores, and sometimes, depending on who's working, at the same store. The people working sometimes get confused if I don't order prints and just want scans.
If Mom and Pop were buying (and processing) enough film at Walmart (and CVS, et al) wouldn't Walmart et al keep selling (and processing) it? :confused:
My local target does a good job. I use them for all my 35mm. I believe it depends a lot on the staff at a particular store though.
Ektar is a pro film. "Consumer" means amateur films like Kodak Gold and Fuji Superia, not pro films like Ektar and Portra. Kodak has long classified all of their black and white films as professional films.
Some restaurants sell Pepsi, some sell Coke.
It's all who makes the better deal for the retailer. Evidently Fuji made a better deal with wal*mart
It's all who makes the better deal for the retailer. Evidently Fuji made a better deal with wal*mart
Comment from my processor:-
"Judging from the volume of film we get, and the variations of photography, there are many people going back to film cameras because of the different things you can do with them"
read into it what you will.
"Judging from the volume of film we get, and the variations of photography, there are many people going back to film cameras because of the different things you can do with them"
read into it what you will.
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Wal*Mart and Home Depot both play absolute hardball with their suppliers over price. They say, "drop your price to $X or we will stop carrying all of your products". They mean it, and do it regularly. The supplier eventually caves, because these retailers can represent 30% of their total sales volume. That could well be the current game they are playing with Kodak.
For instance, GE light bulbs are only periodically available at Home Depot. (There's an extra issue there that the CEO of Home Depot apparently loathes the CEO of GE.)
Nor do Wal*Mart or Home Depot ever stop with the price pressure. The vendors have to continually remove quality, kill R&D, or send manufacturing to a second- or third-world country. (Remember Ross Perot and the "giant sucking sound'?)
Kodak has the problem that sending manufacturing abroad is too expensive -- the capital costs of a film plant are huge, and there's a lot of R&D to recalibrate the emulsion to the new plant. They already "finish" film (slit, perforate, and package from master rolls) overseas. So they don't have much wiggle room in the price war with Wal*Mart. Kodak did, however, axe 75% of their film R&D staff several year ago.
As for Kodak consumer slide films being doomed, that's no surprise. The professional E-6 films are probably endangered as well. The whole E-6 lab infrastructure is crumbling.
For instance, GE light bulbs are only periodically available at Home Depot. (There's an extra issue there that the CEO of Home Depot apparently loathes the CEO of GE.)
Nor do Wal*Mart or Home Depot ever stop with the price pressure. The vendors have to continually remove quality, kill R&D, or send manufacturing to a second- or third-world country. (Remember Ross Perot and the "giant sucking sound'?)
Kodak has the problem that sending manufacturing abroad is too expensive -- the capital costs of a film plant are huge, and there's a lot of R&D to recalibrate the emulsion to the new plant. They already "finish" film (slit, perforate, and package from master rolls) overseas. So they don't have much wiggle room in the price war with Wal*Mart. Kodak did, however, axe 75% of their film R&D staff several year ago.
As for Kodak consumer slide films being doomed, that's no surprise. The professional E-6 films are probably endangered as well. The whole E-6 lab infrastructure is crumbling.
Well, I know that Wal-Mart / Sams Club does a really good job when sending film out. I think they use - drum roll, ta-daaaa - Fuji labs. Go figure, someone.
funny thing about the Kodak Gold films:
I know of about 4 working pro's who shot kodak gold 200 and 400 for editorial JOBS here in LA, back before they went completely digital. the grain was fine enough, and when they had hand optical prints made at the labs(I've seen some of these prints, and they're awesome), people(printers and lab staff) were always remarking at the quality that was in the final prints, hence, a quality negative to start with.
portra is terrific, but kodak gold 200(or even the 400) is a great alternative, great results for later in the day especially
. and it's stupid cheap 
!
-Dan
I know of about 4 working pro's who shot kodak gold 200 and 400 for editorial JOBS here in LA, back before they went completely digital. the grain was fine enough, and when they had hand optical prints made at the labs(I've seen some of these prints, and they're awesome), people(printers and lab staff) were always remarking at the quality that was in the final prints, hence, a quality negative to start with.
portra is terrific, but kodak gold 200(or even the 400) is a great alternative, great results for later in the day especially
. and it's stupid cheap !-Dan
Not surprising, considering Kodak's Chief Marketing Officer just hates film.
From what I've seen and heard from him on videos and other sources, it appears he can't wait for it to die completely.
Why is he with Kodak then?
He can go to hell. Time for a new marketing officer.
Here's a Youtube of Jeff Hayzlett describing how he needs to ruffle some feathers and create a new persona for Kodak. He never mentions film but thinks he can save the company with Kodak branded batteries. You can find many more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YvUd44QcXU
I only post this as evidence to me that Kodak has lost interest in its Traditional products. Don't expect them to be aggressive in shelf marketing to companies like Wal Mart or Target.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YvUd44QcXU
I only post this as evidence to me that Kodak has lost interest in its Traditional products. Don't expect them to be aggressive in shelf marketing to companies like Wal Mart or Target.
A company like Kodak must continue to invest in new technologies if they want to survive. New product introductions is the lifeblood of technology based companies. They can't rest on their laurels and expect to come out ahead. It's the same for most companies involved with technology, unless it's a hand built Morgan car, or similar.
I'm pretty confident that Kodak is looking for margin when they sell their products. If you study the past what has happened to companies that cut their margins too thin, the story is not good. Ilford did this before they went into receivership; Harman took over and stopped the cheap OEM use of their products, and it seems they have a healthy balance sheet again. It nearly killed them though, and it did kill Agfa.
If you cut profit margin and price dump:
1. You undermine your own market
2. You end up with too much overhead
In markets that are saturated or declining you have to come up with strategies involving other venues. It's just how it is. Kodak still has some of the best products in the analog photography world. They need to be aggressive with that fact, and market it well, if they want the products to survive in the long term. The question is: do they want to?
I think moving away from companies like Wal-Mart might actually be beneficial for Kodak and their film division. They will actually make money on each roll of film they sell.
I'm pretty confident that Kodak is looking for margin when they sell their products. If you study the past what has happened to companies that cut their margins too thin, the story is not good. Ilford did this before they went into receivership; Harman took over and stopped the cheap OEM use of their products, and it seems they have a healthy balance sheet again. It nearly killed them though, and it did kill Agfa.
If you cut profit margin and price dump:
1. You undermine your own market
2. You end up with too much overhead
In markets that are saturated or declining you have to come up with strategies involving other venues. It's just how it is. Kodak still has some of the best products in the analog photography world. They need to be aggressive with that fact, and market it well, if they want the products to survive in the long term. The question is: do they want to?
I think moving away from companies like Wal-Mart might actually be beneficial for Kodak and their film division. They will actually make money on each roll of film they sell.
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Listening to the load of trendy management-speak-c**p in that interview, I can only say thank God for Ilford (and the other smaller players) :rolleyes: .
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Wal-Mart is going to get a darkroom department?
Is Kodak really going to stop making consumer film?
Is Kodak really going to stop making consumer film?
I went in Sunday to the new Wal-Mart in town to see if they would develop my film only. Nope, they can't do that for either one-hour or send out. Meanwhile, their one-hour machine just sits there doing nothing. Makes sense to me....
The one hour machine isn't 'doing nothing'. Its making prints. Minilabs have two machines. One develops film with the C41 process. The other exposes paper and develops it using the RA4 process. Walmart ditched the film machines and kept the print machines because most of their customers were bringing in digital photos for printing, not film for developing. The printing machines can still make prints from negs and Walmart still offers that, but they cannot do the C41 process on your negs anymore because they sold thier developing machines.
My local Mal*wart still has its C-41 machine. And the workers still drag the end of the developed negatives on the floor :rolleyes:
Yeah, it's being delivered by pigs that fly.
Flying monkeys, more like.
I was just in the big super WalMart in Waukegan, and it looks like they got rid of everything C-41 and RA-4. There was the giant island in the middle of the store with the sink and everything but now it's just mostly open space inside, with what looks like a big laser printer or something, and video kiosks on the outside walls where the customers can upload their digital files. I suspect at some point they'll remodel and get all that floor space back.
Looks like all the Jewel-Osco stores in the Chicago area are phasing out their minilabs too. Sigh.
Duncan
Looks like all the Jewel-Osco stores in the Chicago area are phasing out their minilabs too. Sigh.
Duncan
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