AI created images vs. Photoshop fabrications. Is there a difference?

[Sirius Glass]

I think the term analog has its roots in “anal.”

Not really, just wishful thinking to "prove" a none fact.

 

[Pieter12]

Not really, just wishful thinking to "prove" a none fact.

Just as valid as Mr Wiley's statement in post 94.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Just as valid as Mr Wiley's statement in post 94.

And you believe everything he posts?!? Has he pulled you leg so often that one leg is longer than the other?

 

[Pieter12]

And you believe everything he posts?!? Has he pulled you leg so often that one leg is longer than the other?

I am replying at the same level. Have you no sense of humor?

 

[Ivo Stunga]

I too call it photography and when I need to I call it film photography but I never call it analog photography in the real world because it is not analog, it is silver based.

I kind of want to call it Chemical photography, I feel this summarizes the process and challenges quite well and term speaks of what gets recorded chemically in silver and how it's revealed/converted chemically during processing, then how it's projected/plates dried to be viewed as-is, or thrown on paper - again chemically for the darkroom guys or via digital workflow at a lab for everyone else.

And it's inclusive too: "chemical" applies to plates, diy emulsions, film of all formats, pictographs, pinholes on paper, you name it..

 

[Sirius Glass]

I kind of want to call it Chemical photography, I feel this summarizes the process and challenges quite well and term speaks of what gets recorded chemically in silver and how it's revealed/converted chemically during processing, then how it's projected/plates dried to be viewed as-is, or thrown on paper - again chemically for the darkroom guys or via digital workflow at a lab for everyone else.

And it's inclusive too: "chemical" applies to plates, dry emulsions, film of all formats, pictographs, pinholes on paper, you name it..

More encompassing but more syllables too.

 

[DREW WILEY]

But chemicals are also potentially involved in digital photography. Whether you scan film, or shoot directly digital, if it's actually chemically outputted onto RA4 paper via a laser device, using the same variety of paper as is exposed using optical enlargers and darkroom-developed, it still involves a digital workflow. And what about a digital timer in the darkroom? If you want to be a purist, go back to cave painting. I do it all optical; but myself rely on electronic devices, including a light meter labeled "digital" before "digital photography per se ever existed.

 

[faberryman]

This thread is an example of a variation of Godwin's Law: On a photography forum, the discussion will inevitability turn into a film vs. digital debate.

 

[Pieter12]

This thread is an example of a variation of Godwin's Law: On a photography forum, the discussion will inevitability turn into a film vs. digital debate.

I bet if you include film characteristics in your AI prompts it will deliver an image that looks like it was shot on film.

 

[DREW WILEY]

Yeah, Ai bad taste capable of fully mimicking human bad taste.

 

[Ivo Stunga]

But chemicals are also potentially involved in digital photography.

Not to the same immediate degree darkroom folks are dealing with it very hands-on. Chemistry is involved everyewhere though - humans included, but you get the idea.

With digital printing the "chemical" aspect is removed from end user: you're working with computer, paper and printer that (hopefully) does its thing. And in 2nd layer of this workflow you're dealing with cartridges, powders or inks - all prepackaged, premixed and doesn't involve soaking this and that in tray 1, 2, 3...

Splitting hairs can be a fun exercise, though!

 

[Bioflex]

Saw a very interesting documentary last night about video artist Nam June paik, he coined the phrase information superhighway. He saw what was coming and said he felt like we were in a boat in the sea, drifting with no land in sight.

 

[RalphLambrecht]

Easy for you and me. Not easy for the average Joe.

A typewriter can be wired or machined to hook up to the internet. An AI written item can be copied down by hand. Anything is possible. We try to stay within the realm of normalcy.

You just ait until You see Adobe Firefly or PS's'Generative Fill'.From now on plain photography is dead!

 

[Cholentpot]

You just ait until You see Adobe Firefly or PS's'Generative Fill'.From now on plain photography is dead!

I have a small wedding to shoot tonight. How's AI gonna do that?

 

[MattKing]

I have a small wedding to shoot tonight. How's AI gonna do that?

Just shoot stills in the studio ahead of time, and then "re-create" the wedding at your leisure afterwards .

In case it isn't clear, I'm joking here!

But AI will really change things. For example, it will make it relatively easy to edit out awful backgrounds - or obnoxious uncle Fred!
Adobe is rolling out a new version of Photoshop as we speak, which incorporates some new AI tools that make "content aware" look totally rudimentary.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Just shoot stills in the studio ahead of time, and then "re-create" the wedding at your leisure afterwards .

In case it isn't clear, I'm joking here!

But AI will really change things. For example, it will make it relatively easy to edit out awful backgrounds - or obnoxious uncle Fred!
Adobe is rolling out a new version of Photoshop as we speak, which incorporates some new AI tools that make "content aware" look totally rudimentary.

AI would allow the bridezillas to post the wedding and reception photographs weeks or even months before the wedding and even it the bride to jilted!

 

[Cholentpot]

Just shoot stills in the studio ahead of time, and then "re-create" the wedding at your leisure afterwards .

In case it isn't clear, I'm joking here!

But AI will really change things. For example, it will make it relatively easy to edit out awful backgrounds - or obnoxious uncle Fred!
Adobe is rolling out a new version of Photoshop as we speak, which incorporates some new AI tools that make "content aware" look totally rudimentary.

And I'd use those features with no second thoughts. If it makes my life easier I embrace it.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

AI would allow the bridezillas to post the wedding and reception photographs weeks or even months before the wedding and even it the bride to jilted! View attachment 339566 View attachment 339567

They could photograph their two kids graduating college in advance as well. Saves a lot on tuition.

 

[Sirius Glass]

They could photograph their two kids graduating college in advance as well. Saves a lot on tuition.

Great idea!

 

[warden]

Adobe is rolling out a new version of Photoshop as we speak, which incorporates some new AI tools that make "content aware" look totally rudimentary.

I've been playing with the beta and it's good at some things. Here's a 35mm image that I wet printed, shown as a full frame vertical format scan:

In five seconds Photoshop was able to change it to square format by adding content on the left and right sides. I haven't edited the image after the generative fill command so you can see, especially in the sky, where the new content starts. But I could easily edit the image mainly by adding grain and sharpness to the new content so it would be impossible to tell. Very nice start.

Where the software struggles is when you ask it to add people, just like other AI products. Again no editing in the next image. The software did a reasonable job with the chainsaw and leaning the ladder against the tree, but the human is a total failure, and no matter how many times I clicked "regenerate" it would produce a horror gallery of deformed faces and hands, always with tight jeans, etc. Not good. The prompt was simply "man with hands on hips" and no matter how I changed the prompt the result is poor.

I ultimately asked for "man with hands on hips from behind" which is better because you can't see his hands or face, but then the picture becomes the story of an ass in tight jeans. I'll spare you that one haha

 

[Pieter12]

Eek!

 

[warden]

Eek!

Who you talking to bro?

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

What's the point shooting pictures if you can sit at your cmputer and creator computer photographs that have little to do with reality? Just throw your camera away and be done with it.

 

[Cholentpot]

What's the point shooting pictures if you can sit at your cmputer and creator computer photographs that have little to do with reality? Just throw your camera away and be done with it.

MIDI has been around for a while and I still use my acoustic guitar. From what I understand pianos and drums are still popular.

 

[Pieter12]

What's the point shooting pictures if you can sit at your cmputer and creator computer photographs that have little to do with reality? Just throw your camera away and be done with it.

The point is the photos can have everything to do with reality, that no one can trust what a photograph (that may or may not have been created or altered with AI) shows. Apparently Adobe along with camera manufacturers is working on an imbedded credential that would describe if any or what modifications have been made to a digital image. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/23/opinion/photoshop-ai-images.html There is probably a paywall. Journalists deserve to be paid.