AGFA's Miniature Format Film Factory and use products with Minox

[Mustafa Umut Sarac]

I read couple of times that AGFA has a miniature format film factory and it is related with Kodak also. Is there a color , slide or bw film coming out from that factory and is it possible to buy reasonable amount , what about the prices and development and is it possible to use with Minox ? WHO sells them ?

Umut

 

[railwayman3]

Minox themselves still supply a small selection of sub-miniature films Dead Link Removed ); I believe they cut and pack this themselves from bulk film from one or other of the main manufacturers, and that a few other specialist suppliers also supply reloads.

But I'm not aware of any "film factory" actually making special emulsions or finished films for Minox or any other sub-miniature formats, the demand would be minimal.

 

[Bob Carnie]

I heard this miniature factory is run by smurf's as well , where are you getting your information, we seem to be on the same page.

 

[Mustafa Umut Sarac]

I wish I was at Ontario Bob , Istanbul is like an oven .

 

[Mustafa Umut Sarac]

The Agfa-Gevaert Group and Eastman Park Micrographics sign worldwide master supply agreement for Imagelink® microfilm products
Press release
Mortsel (Belgium) - Rochester (USA)
January 10, 2013 09:46


The Agfa-Gevaert Group (Agfa) and Eastman Park Micrographics (EPM) announced today that they have signed a worldwide, long-term supply agreement for microfilm products.


Under the agreement, Agfa will manufacture microfilm and related photochemicals for EPM, and EPM will distribute these products worldwide under its own brand name Imagelink. As a result of the new arrangement, EPM will be able to assure the long-term continuity of supply to the market and Agfa will increase its microfilm production significantly. The parties expect the new product arrangement will become operational in mid to late spring, 2013.



"Microfilm based archiving continues to be an interesting niche market," says Louis Kuitenbrouwer, Vice President Marketing & Sales of the Agfa Specialty Products business group. "Combining Agfa's longstanding experience in high- quality film manufacturing with EPM's strong offering to the preservation and archiving market will provide customers the best solution for their long-term product and support needs. The higher microfilm turnover of Agfa will support the continuous utilization of our film manufacturing facilities."



Tim Mortenson, Vice President of Global Operations of EPM, added: "We are looking forward not only to offering Agfa's existing microfilm products under our own Imagelink brand, but together with Agfa, broadening the product range and choices available to customers. These Imagelink branded extensions to Agfa's historical micrographic product lines will enable us to continue to meet the archiving and record preservation requirements of our customer base with the same excellent product quality and support from EPM they now receive."



Imagelink is a registered trademark of Eastman Park Micrographics.

 

[Mustafa Umut Sarac]

Silver Duplicating Films , there is a pdf file attached herebelow
Imagelink Pos Duplicating Microfilm (Estar Base)
Imagelink Pos Duplicating Microfilms are micro-fine grain, silver reverse image films used for making contact prints from camera microfilms and duplicate microfilms in microfiche and roll-film applications. Silver duplicating films have a life expectancy of 500 years (LE-500) when processed and stored properly.

Imagelink Direct Duplicating Microfilm (Estar Base), Direct Intermediate Microfilm 2470 (Estar Base)
Imagelink Direct Duplicating Microfilms are micro-fine grain, silver, direct-image films developed for making contact prints from camera microfilms and duplicate microfilms. Use Direct Duplicating film for your microfiche and roll-film applications; and 2470 for making intermediate direct-image contact prints. Silver duplicating films have a life expectancy of 500 years (LE-500) when processed and stored properly.

Nominal Thickness Data (mils)
•2470: 4.0 mils Estar base (4.2 mils total, unprocessed)
•IMAGELINK Pos Microfilm 10: 4.0 mils Estar base (4.2 mils total, unprocessed)
•IMAGELINK Direct Duplicating Microfilm 10: 4.0 mils (4.2 mils total, unprocessed)
•IMAGELINK Direct Duplicating Film 06: 2.5 mils Estar base (2.7 mils total,

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

We have sold such a product for many years based on Agfas Copex Rapid, but then sales declined and Minox´s MOQ for a custom manufacturing were unachievable. The results were amazing for Minox and are unmatched until today.

Mirko

 

[Mustafa Umut Sarac]

Herebelow , 2470 is only film records the tones like a normal film

Kodak Duplicating
Microfilm — 2462
• Reverses image polarity (neg-to-pos or pos-to-neg) with conventional
processing
• Blue spectral sensitivity
• Medium contrast
• Primarily used for making positive images of publications such as
newspapers and magazines for frequent viewing
Kodak Direct Duplicating
Microfilm — 2468/3468
• Maintains image polarity (neg-to-neg or pos-to-pos) with conventional
processing
• Orthochromatic color sensitivity (blue-green)
• Medium contrast
• Primarily used for making distribution copies
Kodak Direct Duplicating
Intermediate Microfilm —
2470 (Estar Base)
• Maintains image polarity (neg-to-neg or pos-to-pos) with conventional
processing
• Orthochromatic color sensitivity (blue-green)
• Excellent tone reproduction
• Medium - low contrast
• Primarily used as an intermediate master to make multiple generation
copies
• Can also be used as a distribution copy

 

[Mustafa Umut Sarac]

Mirko,

Do you still sell your Minox film from your stocks ?

What is the 2470 micro films origin ? Is it Kodak or Agfa ? Do you have an information ?

Umut

 

[removed account4]

hi umut

i speak on the phone once in a while with someone who owns/ runs a microfilm company, and she uses this film.
microfilm is what is used to photograph written materials ( books documents &c ). i don't think it is the same "stuff"
that is used in a sub-mini camera.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microform
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

 

[Mustafa Umut Sarac]

Hello John,

Nice to know You are fine. 2470 is documenting the pictures , it is ortho , if it is cheaper , why not ? I think my fathers Parkinson has a effect on me , I am forgeting everything , I spoke with an gentleman and he said it is possible to cut 4 rolls of sub mini film from one 35mm roll. I think You are right John , it must be left to the people loves to experiment.

Take care,

Umut

 

[AgX]

Terminology:

"Miniature Film" refers to small formats used for pictorial photography. In the past it was used for 35mm and smaller. Today for 16mm and smaller.
The emulsions are the same as for larger formats.
This term thus only refers to the size of the film.

"Microfilm" refers to extreme small scale of the image with reference to the needed enlargement.
It uses special emulsions. Often not continous-tone.
The size of the film is of lesser importance.


Important research labs for continuous-tone applications of this films in the past have been Gigabitfilm and SPUR.

 

[Ektagraphic]

Speaking of Minox...They haven't supplied film to the US in almost a year.

 

[Gerald C Koch]

Agfa never had a "miniature format film factory." All their films whatever the size were cut from large rolls which were something like 30 ft in width.

 

[Ian Grant]

It might surprise people but the term miniature film also covered 127 andn 120 at one time. Later when 35mm became the predominant format after WWII the term began to be used only for sub 35mm formats.

Ian

 

[railwayman3]

Speaking of Minox...They haven't supplied film to the US in almost a year.

Their website indicates that they will be supplying again in the autumn, but it's not clear if this includes mail order to US:-

Dead Link Removed

 

[cmacd123]

Agfa Gevert still makes various Polyester based films in Belgium. One line is the COPEX microfilm, that they are now selling through Eastman Micro-graphics under Kodak's Former Imagelink brand., (I guess the order size was too small these days for Building 38 to handle.)

http://www.agfa.com/sp/global/en/internet/main/solutions/index.jsp
shows most of the various film based products. Many of the MACO films are re-purposed Ariel Camera Films.

 

[AgX]

I don't think it is a matter of size. Agfa even has more production capacity than Kodak.
I guess it is rather a matter of future perspective. Having a company that is in bancrupsy as single supplier is not the best idea with a equivalent competitor at hand.

 

[AJH]

We have sold such a product for many years based on Agfas Copex Rapid, but then sales declined and Minox´s MOQ for a custom manufacturing were unachievable. The results were amazing for Minox and are unmatched until today.

Mirko

What is the Minimum Order Quantity? It can't be thousands or so?
Is seems they are not meeting it themselves either as there has been no production of anything for times.

 

[AJH]

factory rolls of 30ft? That would be 9-10 meter It is not rolls of steel sheets.

 

[Gerald C Koch]

factory rolls of 30ft? That would be 9-10 meter It is not rolls of steel sheets.

Meters, shmeters! Not the place to argue the merits of the metric system.

 

[AJH]

Meters, shmeters! Not the place to argue the merits of the metric system.

The stated width is much too wide. Master rolls are 4 feet wide at best. The length on them varies with thickness.

 

[Gerald C Koch]

The stated width is much too wide. Master rolls are 4 feet wide at best. The length on them varies with thickness.

I was quoting from an article on the old Agfa coating machines. The width was given as 10 meters. It is always possible that the writer got the number wrong.

 

[railwayman3]

I was quoting from an article on the old Agfa coating machines. The width was given as 10 meters.

From what I've seen at the visit to the Ilford/Harman factory and the pictures of Kodak at Rochester, 10 meters sounds a HUGE width, both for the size of machines required for coating and cutting, and for handling of the finished master rolls? IDK, I may be wrong?