Agfa Refinal.

[Keith Tapscott.]

Does any one know if the Agfa `Refinal` developer is still in production?
Cheers.

 

[Markok765]

Don't you mean rodinal?

 

[Ian Grant]

Refinal is a totally different developer to Rodinal Marko.

I'm not sure if A&O are manufacturing it, I think it has been dropped from the Agfa range.

Ian

 

[Keith Tapscott.]

Don't you mean rodinal?

No, I mean Refinal, a two-part powder form fine-grain developer which used to come in a package to make 5 litres of stock solution.
The Agfa version of D-76 and ID-11 but uses Phenidone instead of Metol.

 

[Markok765]

I saw some in the toronto henreys a few months ago, might go and but some

 

[Keith Tapscott.]

Some one has replied to my same question on the Digital Truth forum.
Thanks to Ian and Marko for your replies.
http://www.digitaltruth.com/forum/viewtopic-php?p=903#903

 

[Petzi]

Yes, Refinal is in production.

 

[Keith Tapscott.]

Yes, Refinal is in production.

The reason I have enquired about Agfa Refinal is because some one I know wants to use a replenishable PQ developer for use in large tanks for processing sheet films. Refinal is the nearest developer I can think of as a substitute for Microphen which is only available these days in 1 litre packs with the replenisher long discontinued.
I have also suggested Ilford DD (Dip & Dunk Developer) or D-76 (ID-11) to him.
Is the replenisher for Refinal also still available?

 

[Petzi]

Agfa Refinal for 5 x 5 litres is currently available (code BVLZA). The Refinal M replenisher for 2 x 50 litres (code A55F4) is not currently listed. I will inquire if they still make it, or intend to make it in the future.

 

[df cardwell]

Refinal is VERY much like Microphen.

Ilford DD would be a slam dunk for me, though.

 

[Keith Tapscott.]

Agfa Refinal for 5 x 5 litres is currently available (code BVLZA). The Refinal M replenisher for 2 x 50 litres (code A55F4) is not currently listed. I will inquire if they still make it, or intend to make it in the future.

It looks like Refinal is out of the running then, I can`t imagine him mixing up 50 litres of replenisher unless he uses his bath tub.

 

[lowellh]

Our F76plus Developer is sold and used in both manual and automatic, replenisehed systems. I do have the times and temperatures for most machines. The dilution is 1+5. Developer and Replenisher are the same, with no starter required.

 

[Petzi]

It looks like Refinal is out of the running then, I can`t imagine him mixing up 50 litres of replenisher unless he uses his bath tub.

This is meant for professional labs where the chemicals mixer for these amounts is standard equipment.

 

[Philippe-Georges]

As the subject of AGFA-GEVAERT's Rifinal and its replenisher is up now, I would like to know what to add to the replenisher in order to make it an full working developer. I happen to have 10 bags for 5 l work of original AGFA-GEVAERT made Refinal replenisher and am running out of the developer (the last 5 bags), which I like a lot (at 1+3). The developer and replnischer are still good working after more than 5 years of laying around in the bags, this formula is incredibly stable...

 

[Gerald C Koch]

What is in this developer seems to be as great a secret as the floorplan to Fort Knox. The Agfa MSDS is given for only Part A and only lists EDTA acid. Good luck on this.