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Hi there!

I came into possession of an Agfa Isolar, a wonderful 9x12 plate camera with dial set compur and Solinear 13,5cm 4.5 lens. The camera came with three completely rusted plate glass holders, the original box, the whole shebang. Thing is, it was stored in a moist basement or wine cellar or wherever, the aluminium of the chassis has oxidation or whatever it is on it, the bellows got some of it, too, I removed all of the sand-like grit and plan to repaint some of the formerly black pieces.
I got the compur from 1922 working again, the slow speed assembly was blocking the whole mechanism (as it always is) and the lens showed some minor fungus and just dirt.
As I was fixing it up, I noticed that the extension was stuck, I can pull out the little wheel on the bottom plate and when I try to turn it, nothing happens. I thought, the whole assembly was just fused together by dirt, rust and whatnot, I went at it with a syringe and lighter fluid, I jiggled it, tried to pull it out by hand (which damn nearly ripped a finger off) but to no avail. So far I don't want to try WD-40, I don't know whether it'll maybe dissolve the bellows and strip the camera of its leather and remaining paint. Who knows. I don't really want to try more aggressive stuff like maybe brake degreaser because of all the above reasons but I want the thing to move, danganabbit! As far as I can tell, the bottom plate isn't bent which could cause everything to be stuck, I just won't move, not even a millimeter.
Am I missing something, screws maybe? There are three screws that I can see, two very little ones and a longer one, although I believe, that the longer one is just the stop for the extension so it won't fall out of its guiding rail when maximum extension is reached. Can you help me please? Is there a magical way, are there any chemicals that I can get in Germany that could do the job, maybe even the infamous WD-40? Can you encourage me to use it?
I've added a picture for your convenience, maybe it helps.
cheers, Felix
 

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Cool camera, I've been there with fused parts on these, I have an similar camera with a lens ring that refuses to budge, Nothing seems to loosen it. Brake cleaner, super strong penetrating cleaners, heat...On the cameras I have from that era the rail is attached by sliding in the rails from the front, screwed in stops keep it in place. Can you see the little gear on the rail? is it corroded? aligned correctly?
 
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Hey!
Well the gears seem to be ok, when I apply a little bit more force to the wheel I hear the little gear whell on the other side making a "click click" noise, meaning, the wheel can be turned, but only just, the rails won't budge. They are aligned correctly, The small part of the assembly in the housing of the camera so to speak, the one with the big pin in the middle moves freely, when I close the camera, this part can be moved, the rails anyway. I can see a slight bit of green matter, maybe its corrosion, maybe some former grease in the threads, they used to be greased, at least the ones on my Voigtländer Avus, I removed these green stains, still nothing. Maybe more force...hmm.
 

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I wouldn't force the focusng wheel, the click you hear may be one gear being forced over another.
I'd look at instructables.com or a metalworking site to explore the problem. Even Wikipedia may have something.

My often faulty memory seems to recall that aluminum sort of welds itself together with corrosion.
 

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Good luck with this. I think it does sound like there is gunk in there 'gluing' the rails together. Maybe try some more carefully applied solvent? I've had good luck with the stuff that slot car people use to clean their cars.
 

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Yes that clicking you hear is the pinion shaft gearing slipping past the rack gears on the bottom side of the rails.
Can you get Dead Link Removed in you area or a similar cleaner? Better than lighter fluid or brake cleaner. http://crcindustries.com/globalhome/
Can you get Penetrating Oil such as http://www.amazon.com/Liquid-Wrench...id=1422240493&sr=8-5&keywords=penetrating+oil ?
WD stands for Water Disperant and 40 is formula #40. It contains a light weight oil which gives it a lubricating property but it dries out in a few weeks leaving a sticky residue behind which will build up.
The rails/bed should be disassembable but I do not see any screws in your picture. Disassemble the bed/rails if possible, if not put a light amount of penetrating oil along the length of the rails at the bed guide (solid side) along the entire length and alloe to sit for 1 to 8 hours. Put rusted parts in cider vinegar and allow to sit 15-30 minutes, wipe the rust residue and vinegar off then wipe down with a light coat of oil or paint within 15 minutes.

The bellows and body leather can be cleaned with Windex, I have not tried other brands of window cleaner, or 90% Isopropyl Alcohol then treat with a light coat or two of Neatsfoot Oil, the pure stuff not the blended. A good leather cleaner/conditioner can be used also.
 
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Thanks for the info, much appreciated!
Yesterday evening (for me over here it was) I tried a little WD-40, the formula over here is a little different, didn't work. Ballistol neither. I'll look into your links and see whether a home depot over here or something maybe has something like you suggested. Penetrating oil sounds good, hope that helps.
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I did it! With the use of a lot of WD-40 and Ballistol, I managed to get the stuck thing out of the rails, degreased the s**t out of it and refitted everything. I am now the proud owner of a fully working Agfa Isolar 408 from the 1920s! There are a few little problems like the little finder's mirror being a little bit blind and there' still a bit of work to be done here and there, also I'm not sure whether the bellows are light tight.
Thank you everyone for your help!
And for your viewing pleasure, here she is:
 

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Fantastic! Now shoot some pics with it and show us the results!
 
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Thanks! Still don't know how, though. I'd like to use the Rollex 6x9 cassette that I have, but the prices for an adapter for 9x12 on the German fleabay are...(let's leave it at that).
I have no possibility for handling or developing or even scanning sheet film, using 120 film is what I use on a very regular basis, I can develop it myself and scan it. Also, I have no clue, what type of back the camera has the "falz" in German, the rails that hold the backs. "Millionenfalz" maybe? Haven't the foggiest.
 

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I'll look into your links and see whether a home depot over here or something
Try Auto Parts Stores. There are many brands of electronic contact cleaner on the market, the brand I linked is one of the best and most common over here on the Pacific coast.

A plate camera will have a back that accepts plate holders only. I have limited experience with them. Try the Plate Cameras and Accessories section for help on how to adapt it for roll film.
 

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Keep watching the auction sites for Germany and the UK for a cheap roll film adapter, something will turn up.
 
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