agfa apx 100 unperforated mistake.

alan doyle · Jun 12, 2009

hello..
i purchased a load of 35mm 100ft rolls of agfa apx 100 and have just found out it is np,
No perforations,what can i do with it any ideas.
thanks.

jim appleyard · Jun 12, 2009

Send it back?

AgX · Jun 13, 2009

Perhaps due to their insolvency AgfaPhoto ran out of holes...

In case those rolls were still made by Agfa (Agfa-Gevaert that is) contact their former mother-company in Mortsel and complain.
They could send you 100ft bulk rolls of their Aviphot Pan 400S in their own 35mmDP version.

For playing around with non-perforated film I've got not much ideas at the moment, but I'm sure someone will come up with something interesting.

David William White · Jun 13, 2009

Respool onto 127 or 120.

ath · Jun 13, 2009

Not perforated stock was made on purpose, not a mistake. There seem to be a few (surveillance?) cameras taking this.
The show up quite often on german ebay and you have to read carefully and understand that the small "np" means: no perforation
http://cgi.ebay.de/2x-AGFA-AGFAPAN-...66:2|39:1|72:1229|240:1318|301:1|293:1|294:50

DavidM · Jun 13, 2009

You could load the 35mm cassettes into a 120 camera such as a holga or folder such as an Agfa Isolette.
I have used 35mm in both with some success - gets a panoramic shot.
YouTube with instuctions on using 35mm in 120 camera . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK9iBKoQYik

bdilgard · Jun 13, 2009

You now have some 828 film, all you need to go with it is a Bantam camera and (the hard part) spools. I have only been able to find microfilm and portrait color negative film in non-perforated 35mmm, oops I mean 828.

JPD · Jun 13, 2009

Yeah! Sell it to someone who wants to spool 828 rolls with this excellent film!

Photo Engineer · Jun 13, 2009

828 film had paper backing and perfs both. At least it did last time I worked with it. The perfs were really odd, more like 126 type.

PE

AgX · Jun 13, 2009

ath said:
Not perforated stock was made on purpose, not a mistake.

Andreas, thank you for that hint on Agfa. I only knew that Kodak offered some 35 non-perforated film for some US-copy cameras.

ic-racer · Jun 13, 2009

If someone gave me a roll I think I'd tape it to an 8x10 or 4x5 film holder for some super-duper X-pan panoramas.

cmacd123 · Jun 14, 2009

Folks who use subminature cameras could also slit it to 16mm or 9.whatever width.

bdilgard · Jun 14, 2009

Photo Engineer said:
828 film had paper backing and perfs both. At least it did last time I worked with it. The perfs were really odd, more like 126 type.

PE

Fortunately most 828 cameras also came equipped with a red or green window so the perfs are not required. 120 roll backing can be cut so that the markings for 6x4.5 line up in the window although the spacing is wider.

The backing paper for some 828 Kodacolor II that I found also had notches in it that lined up with the perf. Its enough that at least one of my Bantams will sense it and lock the wind.

Mark Antony · Jun 14, 2009

What about a Rollei LR with a Rolleikin? would that work or do you need perfs?

alan doyle · Jun 14, 2009

well folks...1 have 30 100 ft tins of this stuff dated end of 2010...
so keen to shift it....

JPD · Jun 14, 2009

Mark Antony said:
What about a Rollei LR with a Rolleikin? would that work or do you need perfs?

Unfortunately you do.

stefan4u · Jun 14, 2009

High Allan !!

There could be a solution for your problem
Well, what kind of camera do you use?

Just asking, because I had (actually still have) the same problem with some unperforated color Film. Usually I take pictures with my beloved Minolta 500 (maxxum 500 in the US), but ordered now an newer Minolta Xi7 for some experiments. These full electronic cameras with integrated winder do not necessary need the sprocket holes for film transport; film is mainly transported by the take up spool on the right side. As easy as the gearwheel (for the sprocket holes) runs, I suppose it does drive only a opt. coupler for measuring the film advance electronically.

In this case the cogs of the gearwheel could be grinded down and be replaced by a thin rubber layer / O-ring to give adequate contact.

I have no Idea how transferable this is for other cameras, for the Minolta Xi series it will work for sure

Im still hesitating, because I do have only two rolls of unperforated films, but for 10 Rolls it would be worth the trouble.

Regards,
Stefan

keithwms · Jun 14, 2009

How about splicing some perforated leaders onto the sections that you cut down.

stefan4u · Jun 14, 2009

Pardon me; I dont get this

How about splicing some perforated leaders onto the sections that you cut down

The thin rubber layer / O-ring shall take up the friction of the advancing film, and give the camera the stop signal after turning the (now ungeared) gearwheel over the necessary length for one frame/picture.
The Minolta Xis (other maybe too) do have a pair of counter bearing wheels on the backside of the camera. If the film now runs between the counter bearings and the modified (ungeared but rubberized) gearwheel, transported film length shall be indicated well. This is crude theory till now, but except for excessive transport speed it could work
Well maybe not for ever...

Regards from Germany,
Stefan

Andrew Moxom · Jun 14, 2009

Sell it to someone with a mamiya 6 or mamiya 7 panoramic adaptor. Will work slick there ... Or buy Blackbird Fly camera from Freestyle

alan doyle · Jun 14, 2009

thanks some nice ideas,you have.
cheers

RobertV · Jun 15, 2009

Let's have it DP in Bergheim. I do not think it's a problem for confectioning it either. 10 x 30,5m is about 180 135-36 films. 80 for you and 100 on e-bay
to get out of your costs

CuS · Jun 16, 2009

i tried it last night and it worked.

DavidM said:
You could load the 35mm cassettes into a 120 camera such as a holga or folder such as an Agfa Isolette.
I have used 35mm in both with some success - gets a panoramic shot.
YouTube with instuctions on using 35mm in 120 camera . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK9iBKoQYik

I put a 35mm cassette into my moskva-4 using a 120 spool for takeup - worked fine but i did get a mysterious scratch somehow. Here's a sample (bad subject and comp). This was Fuji HRII minicopy (iso 6 film) deved in diafine 3+3:

CuS · Jun 16, 2009

btw - has anyone else tried this?

keithwms · Jun 16, 2009

Yes I do that now and then. Here is some ektar pulled through a mamiya 6:

http://keithwilliamsphoto.net/dejarnette/content/dejarnette0409003_large.html

RE: the scratch, do you mean that scratch 1/3 up from the bottom? That will probably be a dust particle somewhere on the emulsion side of where the film goes across the exposure area. Just blow out the camera well, be sure all dust is gone. Also be sure that there aren't any scratchmakers on the pressure plate.

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