C'mon... Tri-X is absolutely a pro film. Do you know how many great images have been made on this film, by professionals and the like? Absolutely stellar film and it's deserving of it's reputation.
400tx which many pro's use, but isn't a pro film
If this statement is true, why then continue shooting analog?
Digital is much cheaper!
This film was sold to Freestyle by Kodak prior to Kodak going into chapter 11.
It´s for sure a good deal today. But will it keep film allive for long if costs for the materials, labour and energy are higher than the end users price?
Companies need to make a profit. For some reason I am under the impression that photographers in general deny this to film producing companies. They are all bust by now except for Fuji. Do you really think you made them to rhich?
Mirko
C'mon... Tri-X is absolutely a pro film. Do you know how many great images have been made on this film, by professionals and the like? Absolutely stellar film and it's deserving of it's reputation.
I like the other guys "I guess professional is marketing lingo" comment haha
I did state that even though pro's use the film, doesn't make it a "pro" film. Tmax400 is the pro film ... Portra is a pro film, and I guess the BW400CN is technically a pro film, but then why don't they offer it in other sizes that pro's use, 35mm is for amateurs hehehehe
This film was sold to Freestyle by Kodak prior to Kodak going into chapter 11.
It´s for sure a good deal today. But will it keep film allive for long if costs for the materials, labour and energy are higher than the end users price?
Companies need to make a profit. For some reason I am under the impression that photographers in general deny this to film producing companies. They are all bust by now except for Fuji. Do you really think you made them to rhich?
Mirko
Acros100 for example, shoot it on 35mm, then 120, then we go to use 4x5 and it's twice the price of everything else in the same family, it makes no sense, at least none that we can think of. Is the price from 120 deferred to 4x5 in a market they assume can handle the difference? keeping costs down on the 120 versions? or is there some extreme extra waste associated with producing it in 4x5 that bumps up the cost to double?
AFAIK sheet film is usually coated on a different film base than 135 and 120 films, which means you can't just coat one master roll and divide it into 135, 120 and 4x5. If the sheet film market is smaller than the 135 market higher prices for sheet film are to be expected, as the overhead is probably about the same per master roll but fewer customers to split the cost on.
(This is just speculation from reading PE's tales of film manufacturing, I don't actually know if this is the reason for higher cost of sheet film.)
BW400CN is capable of great results but is orange masked to print better on RA4 paper in automated machines. XP2 Super is a fantastic film without the masking, to print more easily on regular black and white paper.
/OT
There is a professional Tri-X, TXP 320, P for Professional, now available only in sheets but previously available in 120 though no more. It's a great film but quite different from TXT 400.
What's funny to me is that in the US there is only one manufacturer of film. So if the box says made in the US, it's Kodak by default.But I agree, this rebranding business has to be kept secret as much as possible in order to prevent hurting the company.
One more food for thought. I sit here typing on my Foxconn phone....I mean iPhone.
I believe 99% of the parts are Chineese made and the phone was assembled in China at a company called Foxconn, who Apple, an American company, contracts with to manufacture the phone.
What if, Apple has the same components, that I belive are 99% Chineese, sent to the US and the phone is assembled in the US. The country of manufacture is therefore the US
Anyway....I think this might happen in film. It could be coated at say Foma and cut/boxed (aka confectioned) in Germany. Same thing...
Now the difference is that when you buy OEM parts of a iPhone, lets say you break the glass and you want to swap it out (as I've done too many times to count).....the OEM part will say made in China.
That transparency doesn't exist with film...
Is this odd to some?
I once saw a documentary that said a major % of a Leica M7 is pre-assembled in Pourtugal and then assembled in Solms Germany. So can you get OEM parts of a M7 and find out that this was the case?
Is this a German-thing? Or a EU thing? I don't understand all this obfuscation...
Look, anyone who knows me knows I love ADOX and their films/chems and service - I am a diehard Adonal user!
Pretty sure you're going to have to prove 320TXP is more fine grained than 400TX in 120 format, sir.
Either way, who cares. Both great films. Both PRO (whatever the hell that even means).
C'mon... Tri-X is absolutely a pro film. Do you know how many great images have been made on this film, by professionals and the like? Absolutely stellar film and it's deserving of it's reputation.
I guess it's because of when I grew up, but if someone says "pro film", Tri-X is the one I think of. To U.S. magazine and newspaper photographers of the past five decades, the standard B&W film was Tri-X.
Stone:
Tri-X 400 (as it has evolved over the years) has had more shots taken on it by professional photographers for professional uses than any other film you could possibly buy new today.
It may not be the most popular film now for professional use (although I wouldn't be surprised if its numbers are still very high) but it is certainly of professional calibre, marketed to professionals and used by professionals.
And with respect to the rest of this thread, and the discussions about price, everyone here seems to be ignoring one important fact.
There is no longer anything resembling a rational distribution system for Kodak materials and, to a great extent, it is the distribution system that determines the price that consumers pay.
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