If i could tell what it actually says I might have somewhat different opinion. Looking at images I see considerable difference in Silvermax's combo favor. But it also looks like scans are not all that representative of actual results.ill informed testing?
You probably didn't have a look at this https://pixeldeplata.es/ilford-fp4-plus-y-adox-silvermax/
Silvermax was developed in silvermax developer so...
When I said "not being fully transparent" I directly referred to Fotoimpex selling film without mention it is a dead meat no longer to be available. It looks like there are some really happy users of Silvermax, so this is their chance to stock up. I think if Fotoimpex had an appropriate note on sales page, Silvermax would have been long gone from the shelves.Adox have been totally open about Silvermax being a one-time batch from the start. Having a public conniption about this isn't going to change things. I'd imagine that a variation on CHS II is the most likely future replacement - though if you have deep enough pockets, I imagine that Inoviscoat will happily make a similar film to Scala 160/ 200x - though as Adox state, the selling price would likely have to be in the 10 EUR + range per roll.
I think the difference is not worthwhile the cost difference between silvermax+custom developer and ilford fp4+ plus any developer handy.If i could tell what it actually says I might have somewhat different opinion. Looking at images I see considerable difference in Silvermax's combo favor. But it also looks like scans are not all that representative of actual results.
Let's do some math for the new putative replacement of Silvermax: let's suppose 12€ per film, the development could costs up to 4€ per roll if done in-house, or 8€ per roll if outsourced to a lab (without mounts), then add 5€ more for the mounts if done in-house, or another 2€ in lab. The sum is: 21€ for a roll finished and mounted if done in-house, or 22€ in-lab + another 6€ of shipping = 28€.
It's getting not sustainable anymore as far as I'm concerned.
No. Up until 10 years ago I was paying 5€ for a E6 roll to be developed and mounted. The roll itself costed me another 5€. So it was 10€ total, 10 years ago.If you go back to pre-1990s film prices & calculate the subsequent inflation using GDP per capita - in other words, the affordability to the average person, a roll of process paid & mounted transparency film works out to about the equivalent of 30 EUR or so.
Well, if that's the case I don't understand why this is not stated on sales page. It seems to me that clearing it out would be a beneficial move,
I really wanted to try it out, but with it being dead beat I don't think I will.
It's essentially the last Agfa version of Agfapan 100 with extra silver added for improved reversal characteristics & coated on a clear TAC base. Silvermax developer uses a high solvency (KSCN) approach to supposedly get a longer scale out of the film.
No, a 'clearing out' would not be a beneficial move. At least certainly not for our Silvermax customers. Because then hoarders would buy most of the stock, and then wait until all is sold out at our distributor Fotoimpex. And then they will sell their hoarded stock at much higher prices via ebay. We've seen that several times in the last years with different films from other manufacturers, just as one example have a look at pack film.
So if Fotoimpex would do it the results would be
- less Silvermax customers would have a chance to buy the film
- the prices would be much higher.
We don't want that.
Silvermax film has been a niche product since its introduction in 2012. We have a relatively low, but quite loyal number of regular Silvermax customers. They have read our communication about this film and have always been aware of the fact that is has been a "one coating run" product with a therefore limited life span.
You have the following options:
1. Try the Silvermax, and if you like it just buy the number of films you need for the next 3, 5, 7 etc. years. Silvermax is by far the most close product to the original Agfa APX 100, because Silvermax has the original APX 100 emulsion, but with a higher silver content, and is coated on a clear TAC base.
2. Try the ADOX CHS 100 II film: It has an almost identical spectral sensitivity (the differences are so small that they are not visible in the picture), and sharpness and resolution are also about identical to Silvermax. CHS 100 II has a bit more accentuated / more visible grain in direct comparison.
ADOX - Innovation in Analog Photography.
Let's do some math for the new putative replacement of Silvermax: let's suppose 12€ per film,
Thanks.That is an unrealistic (much too high) supposition. Because:
1. We already offer another option for BW reversal film shooters: ADOX Scala 50. Price at Fotoimpex is only 5.36€ for a single film, and 5.12€ per film for the ten pack. Scala 50 offers much higher resolution, better sharpness and much finer grain compared to both Scala 160 and Fomapan R. Scala 50 can also be pulled and pushed by one stop with really excellent results.
2. We are working on two replacements for Scala 160: One in the short term, with partly similar, partly different charcteristics. This film will certainly not be more expensive than Scala 160.
3. And we are working on a long term replacement. Different technology, but probably even visibly better than Scala 160 (better detail rendition). This film will probably be also much less expensive than your 12€ supposition.
ADOX - Innovation in Analog Photography.
We already offer another option for BW reversal film shooters: ADOX Scala 50..
Scala 50 can also be pulled and pushed by one stop with really excellent results.
On the FOTOIMPEX page for Scala 50...We already offer another option for BW reversal film shooters: ADOX Scala 50...
What is the DMax and DMin of this film when reversal processed?
On the FOTOIMPEX page for Scala 50
it says Scala 50 can be developed "in the ADOX Scala reversal kit." Where can one purchase such a kit? I don't see listings for it at FOTOIMPEX's or other retailers' Web sites.
The FOTOIMPEX Scala 50 page indicates that film is coated on a PET base. Freestyle's page for the same film
says it's on a triacetate base. Which is correct?
Thank you in advance for your assistance.
Thank you again. Those answers are very positive. I look forward to making some monochrome transparencies using Scala 50 in my new F6 with Sigma Art lenses.It will be introduced to the market soon, most probably this year. We've had some bad luck with the packaging for the kit: In spring we had a delay of the packaging shipment of several months due to the pandemic. And when the packaging arrived in late summer, it had some quality issues. And the whole production of the packaging had to be produced again.
Freestyle has unfortunately written it wrong.
ADOX Scala 50 has a clear PET base. So the customer benefits from the unsurpassed archival long term stability (more than 500 years), the superior dimensional stability and a more attractive film price (clear TAC base is much more expensive than clear PET base).
ADOX - Innovation in Analog Photography.
Even lower figures will yield excellent slidesFor very good quality results for viewing BW transparencies on a lighttable and in projection on a normal white matte screen, a Dmax in the range of 3.0 to 3.3 is absolutely sufficient.
Ah, yes, the Dmax thing... Remember the Agfa Scala 200X people were waxing lyrical about? According to the datasheet, it had a Dmax of 3 in their proprietary process, not a huge, absurd value.
Ah, yes, the Dmax thing... Remember the Agfa Scala 200X people were waxing lyrical about? According to the datasheet, it had a Dmax of 3 in their proprietary process, not a huge, absurd value.
2. We are working on two replacements for Scala 160: One in the short term, with partly similar, partly different charcteristics. This film will certainly not be more expensive than Scala 160.
3. And we are working on a long term replacement. Different technology, but probably even visibly better than Scala 160 (better detail rendition). This film will probably be also much less expensive than your 12€ supposition.
And it was more than convincing - I'd rather have good tonality & a good black, rather than obsessions about DMax number games.
AFAIK nobody has complained about DR5's tonality despite his unbelievably high Dmax.
This means high DMax doesn't necessarily comes at the expense of good tonality.
And it was more than convincing - I'd rather have good tonality & a good black, rather than obsessions about DMax number games.
Will these be available in formats other than just 35mm?
Thank you again. Those answers are very positive. I look forward to making some monochrome transparencies using Scala 50 in my new F6 with Sigma Art lenses.
Well, our colleagues from Fotoimpex have had a significant number of customers reporting such problems with certain films.
Therefore our recommendation to have a look at the overall quality, including all parameters, and not concentrating only on one data sheet value.
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