Adox HR50 + D76 + Multigrade Ilford + Multigrade Developer How to achieve this ?

[Mustafa Umut Sarac]

I am using Leica lenses and cameras for 33 years and I was getting from ordinary photo boots below quality.
I am not able to get same quality for last 10 years , today never ! I never developed 35mm film in 30 years.

I found below image from Adox HR50 advertisement. I can invade a country for that quality. I have d76 and how should I expose and develop ?

 

[koraks]

What I'm seeing in that image is strong composition that relies on fortunate lighting, as well as a strong dose of vignetting that was undoubtedly added in digital post processing. Exposure was probably on the short side for this film (which will probably struggle to reach actual 50 ISO), but the photographer chose to allow large sections to drop away into pure black here and personally I think it doesn't hurt.

The magic is not in how the film was developed - and also not in what film was used to begin with. This photographer would likely have achieved the same with a camera loaded with, say Fomapan 100.

As so often, what matters is what you point the camera at. The rest is just going through the motions.

 

[loccdor]

HR-50 is great for this type of high contrast look. It needs to be exposed a little bit more accurately than other films but I always say it makes 35mm look like medium format, and half-frame look like full-frame.

I'd expose it for a narrower latitude than other films. I try not to overexpose the highlights more than 2 stops with it. In that way I'd say it's at a midpoint between how you treat normal B&W and how you treat slide film.

For the image posted, a person could meter the inside of that building, then the outside. If the difference in readings is more than 2 stops, go with the outside reading +2 stops overexposure. Or just use your in-camera light meter and rate it at 50, it works most of the time.

Development: I use Rodinal since it still retains a fine grain. 1+25 10 minutes 22C semi-stand development. 30 seconds initial agitation, one gentle turn at 5 minutes.

D-76 might give a little more contrast than Rodinal semi-stand so be careful, I think you can still get it to work okay though.

 

[beemermark]

I’ve seen other posts were people are using Rodinal to develop HR-50. On the HR-50 info sheet it says Rodinal is not recommended.

https://www.fotoimpex.com/shop/images/products/media/63360_5_PDF-Datasheet.pdf

I’ve been using Ilford dd-x iso 50

 

[cliveh]

What film are you using?

 

[loccdor]

I saw on the datasheet that Rodinal is not recommended as well, but it really does work great on it in the unusual 1+25 dilution. Rudiger Hartung's recipe.

I've also seen decent results on it with HC-110 and may try that soon.

Adox does make its own specific developer for it. Also note that Adox Scala 50 is exactly the same film, so if you find that at a better price you should buy it instead.

 

[relistan]

If you want the high contrast, then almost any developer will work. If you want better pictoral scale then careful exposure (below box speed, for sure) and a developer that helps soften the curve will benefit you. This was shot at EI25 and developed with one of my 2 bath developers, giving it a pretty good pictoral scale.

 

[pentaxuser]

I saw on the datasheet that Rodinal is not recommended as well, but it really does work great on it in the unusual 1+25 dilution. Rudiger Hartung's recipe.
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So is Rudiger Hartung's recipe different from normal Rodinal or is it simply the 1+25 that's different in some way such as agitation regime or simply that Rodinal doesn't give a 1+25 for HR50 but Rudiger does?

Thanks

pentaxuser

 

[loccdor]

So is Rudiger Hartung's recipe different from normal Rodinal or is it simply the 1+25 that's different in some way such as agitation regime or simply that Rodinal doesn't give a 1+25 for HR50 but Rudiger does?

Thanks

pentaxuser

I haven't seen many people use 1+25 on film, and I've never seen them use that combined with a semi-stand agitation scheme. Stand and semi-stand in Rodinal are often more towards the 1+100 through 1+200 range. That range is supposed to create a little more grain, but more compensating and edge effects.

 

[relistan]

1+25 is one of the normal Rodinal dilutions for film. But yeah, not normally semi-stand. Here's a very old photo of mine using 1+25 for example (NOT! HR-50):

 

[loccdor]

1+25 is one of the normal Rodinal dilutions for film.

Oops! Nice photo. Yeah, I think I never used Rodinal more concentrated than 1+50, except for this specific recipe, but I see that others do.

 

[pentaxuser]

I haven't seen many people use 1+25 on film, and I've never seen them use that combined with a semi-stand agitation scheme. Stand and semi-stand in Rodinal are often more towards the 1+100 through 1+200 range. That range is supposed to create a little more grain, but more compensating and edge effects.

Thanks. So to be clear Rudiger's recipe is Rodinal at 1+25 with semi-stand and what you do with it is the same as Rudiger's recipe which is what you quote, namely:

"Development: I use Rodinal since it still retains a fine grain. 1+25 10 minutes 22C semi-stand development. 30 seconds initial agitation, one gentle turn at 5 minutes. "

Just out of interest, is there something special about Rodinal, HR50 and semi-stand at 1+25 that cannot be replicated at 1+50 with a time appropriate for 1+50 and the same semi stand agitation regíme ?


pentaxuser

 

[pentaxuser]

1+25 is one of the normal Rodinal dilutions for film. But yeah, not normally semi-stand. Here's a very old photo of mine using 1+25 for example (NOT! HR-50):

I did a bit of research into this and found the sign on a Facebook page It appears to be the same sign as the one in SE Portland in Oregon. However I still couldn't work out if Wentworth is a named district of Portland or the name of the owner of the Chevrolet dealership?

If it's the latter or even the former then it's a pretty big claim that the whole town belongs to Chevrolet or to Wentworth assuming this is the owner of the dealership

It's bit like Henry Ford putting a large sign above Dagenham saying "Henry Ford Town"

Just curious as to the answer to my first question. My last 2 sentences are just my reaction and none of it has any relevance to the thread so other than answers to my questions for which I am grateful, please feel free to ignore my reaction

pentaxuser

 

[loccdor]

Just out of interest, is there something special about Rodinal, HR50 and semi-stand at 1+25 that cannot be replicated at 1+50 with a time appropriate for 1+50 and the same semi stand agitation regíme ?

Probably not - he's just a guy who knows chemistry and owns a densitometer who found that to work particularly well with his measurements, so I followed his example.

He has 1+25 and 1+100 examples posted here, but no 1+50.

Flickr Search — “hr-50 rodinal”

www.flickr.com

 

[MattKing]

If it's the latter or even the former then it's a pretty big claim that the whole town belongs to Chevrolet or to Wentworth assuming this is the owner of the dealership

From my observations of some USA life from not so far away, it is pretty common for large auto dealers - perhaps with sales lots that are acres in size - to give their premises grandiose names like "Chevytown" or "Ford City" or "Chryslerville".
Like as not they probably also sponsored the uniforms for the high school football team - complete with "Wentforth Chevytown" emblazoned on them. A big "Wentworth Chevytown" float in the 4th of July parade was probably an annual highlight as well.

 

[relistan]

I did a bit of research into this and found the sign on a Facebook page It appears to be the same sign as the one in SE Portland in Oregon. However I still couldn't work out if Wentworth is a named district of Portland or the name of the owner of the Chevrolet dealership?

If it's the latter or even the former then it's a pretty big claim that the whole town belongs to Chevrolet or to Wentworth assuming this is the owner of the dealership

It's bit like Henry Ford putting a large sign above Dagenham saying "Henry Ford Town"

Just curious as to the answer to my first question. My last 2 sentences are just my reaction and none of it has any relevance to the thread so other than answers to my questions for which I am grateful, please feel free to ignore my reaction

pentaxuser

It’s indeed Portland. But this sign is sadly long gone. It’s just a family name, not an area of town. That area is on the edge of a couple of named districts but I don’t actually know the name of that spot. As Matt says this kind of big talk signage is pretty common in the US. This sign was visible from all the tall buildings in downtown across the river. The Wentworths are one of those wealthy families in town at this point. They own a Subaru dealership, too.

 

[pentaxuser]

Thanks both for the replies I won't say anymore as it would not be germane to the thread

pentaxuser

 

[pentaxuser]

Probably not - he's just a guy who knows chemistry and owns a densitometer who found that to work particularly well with his measurements, so I followed his example.

He has 1+25 and 1+100 examples posted here, but no 1+50.

Flickr Search — “hr-50 rodinal”

www.flickr.com

Thanks for the reply I couldn't work out how 1+50 might be not be as good but if you don't ask then you can never know

pentaxuser