Adox Color paper RA4

[adamlugi]

Adox's RA4 color paper has appeared on Fotoimpex. Do you know anything about it?

 

[pentaxuser]

Well from what it says about it being out of stock I presume it was once in stock so that suggests it has all being bought and thus it's not new stuff in the sense of a brand new just released product

There's a full range of sizes and with Adox labelling so is it Adox made, Í wonder?

More questions than answers

pentaxuser

 

[mshchem]

I don't think Adox has equipment online for making color paper. They most certainly could slit, cut and package paper from rolls which if it was Fujifilm professional papers I would love.

 

[Sanug]

Adox do have the equipment for paper manufacturing. As the paper is named "Adox Color Mission", I guess it is their own manufactured product and not a repackage (a repackage would be sold under the Fotoimpex brand, not Adox).

Maybe it will be even an experimental product like the Color Mission film. It may be announced at the Adox webpage soon.

 

[halfaman]

Adox RA4 paper is not new. I friend has a box bought some time ago and it was some misterious "Tura" paper from unknown origin (Tura seems to be just a brand), for sure it has nothing to do with Fuji papers. The quality was nothing really interesting. I remember that it didn't get pure whites, for example... I don't if now it is the same paper or not.

There's a full range of sizes and with Adox labelling so is it Adox made, Í wonder?

Quoting fotoimpex web:
cut from genuine masterrolls of a large manufacturer by ADOX

 

[koraks]

There's a lot of speculation in this thread. Much of it is blatantly false.

 

[mshchem]

There's a lot of speculation in this thread. Much of it is blatantly false.

So I recall Fotoimpex has sold Fuji paper that Adox cut and packaged. What's the truth?

 

[GeorgK]

On the fotoimpex website:
"This RA-4 compatible paper is a modern color paper, cut from genuine masterrolls of a large manufacturer by ADOX in Bad Saarow."

Should not be too difficult to understand.

Adox did not use the "Color Mission" label before for their color papers (IIRC), so this is a new product, expected to be available from end of September.

 

[koraks]

ADOX seem to be consistently applying their new Color Mission brand name (and logo, color scheme) to all color products.
Their offering of a color paper fits in a strategy of being able to supply the products needed for the entire analog color imaging chain.

Should not be too difficult to understand.

Indeed, it looks like plain intelligible English to me alright!

 

[brbo]

Adox did not use the "Color Mission" label before for their color papers (IIRC), so this is a new product, expected to be available from end of September.

It's true that "Color Mission" label is new. That doesn't say it's a new product. It might still be cut from the same type of Fuji material as before.

I'd be mildly excited if I saw more types and finishes added, but it seems they will just go with the cheapest CAII and target people who are new to RA-4 printing that haven't yet discovered huge savings of buying uncut rolls and chemicals sold to minilabs.

 

[Angarian]

Adox RA4 paper is not new. I friend has a box bought some time ago and it was some misterious "Tura" paper from unknown origin (Tura seems to be just a brand), for sure it has nothing to do with Fuji papers.

Except the fact that it has......
Tura has been for many decades a well established photo company in Germany. They had a very close relationsship with Agfa in Leverkusen, and their main business has been finishing (converting, confectioning) of Agfa films and photopapers, selling it under their Tura brand.

Then during the "digital revolution" they had an insolvency, but continued as company PhotoStar, and Tura continued to be used as their brand name for their products.
They have the equipment to cut paper from master rolls and finish it into products for end consumers like photo labs. That is their main business.
During about the last decade they bought their paper from Fujifilm. Before their cooperation they used paper from DNP, if I remember right.
When DNP stopped RA-4 paper production, PhotoStar/Tura switched to Fujifilm.

Concerning Adox RA-4 photo paper:
They have always been absolutely honest that that is not coated by themselves, but only finished by them into sheets. They used Fujifilm paper as their source. As Fujifilm is the only remaining producer of RA-4 photo paper, we also know what they are using now .

 

[pentaxuser]

So for those who know: Is this brand new Adox paper that goes on sale at the end of this month and if so why say it is out of stock at the moment or is this stuff that has been sold by Adox as its own paper in the recent past and is just temporarily out of stock?

Thanks

pentaxuser

 

[Film-Niko]

Except the fact that it has......
Tura has been for many decades a well established photo company in Germany. They had a very close relationsship with Agfa in Leverkusen, and their main business has been finishing (converting, confectioning) of Agfa films and photopapers, selling it under their Tura brand.

Then during the "digital revolution" they had an insolvency, but continued as company PhotoStar, and Tura continued to be used as their brand name for their products.
They have the equipment to cut paper from master rolls and finish it into products for end consumers like photo labs. That is their main business.
During about the last decade they bought their paper from Fujifilm. Before their cooperation they used paper from DNP, if I remember right.
When DNP stopped RA-4 paper production, PhotoStar/Tura switched to Fujifilm.

Concerning Adox RA-4 photo paper:
They have always been absolutely honest that that is not coated by themselves, but only finished by them into sheets. They used Fujifilm paper as their source. As Fujifilm is the only remaining producer of RA-4 photo paper, we also know what they are using now .

Yepp, I very well remember the former Tura products. Has always been excellent quality, and you often could make a nice bargain.
I visited the PhotoStar/Tura booth some years ago at Photokina fair. At that time they already had switched with their market focus from Europe to the Emerging markets in Africa and Asia, and especially India.

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

After the closure of Tura in the beginning of this year we have been apointed by Fuji as the only official manufacturer to buy their genuine master rolls and convert them into sheets in an industrial way. We are not using minilab rolls and thus we can produce all sizes at very competitive prices and with state of the art quality. The entire color product line will be presented under the (very succesfull) Color Mission color scheme (similar to C-TEC) and there will be more RA-4 products coming up next. The packshots in the fotoimpex shop are placeholders. New boxes arrive in November- intermediate product will go online in intermediate boxes faster.
COLOR MISSION RA-4 will go into US distribution via Freestyle and Cinestill.

 

[brbo]

@ADOX Fotoimpex, can you share which type(s) of Fuji paper do you intend to convert?

 

[adamlugi]

@ADOX Fotoimpex, can you share which type(s) of Fuji paper do you intend to convert?

This very impotrant info for me.

 

[Film-Niko]

After the closure of Tura in the beginning of this year we have been apointed by Fuji as the only official manufacturer to buy their genuine master rolls and convert them into sheets in an industrial way. We are not using minilab rolls and thus we can produce all sizes at very competitive prices and with state of the art quality. The entire color product line will be presented under the (very succesfull) Color Mission color scheme (similar to C-TEC) and there will be more RA-4 products coming up next. The packshots in the fotoimpex shop are placeholders. New boxes arrive in November- intermediate product will go online in intermediate boxes faster.
COLOR MISSION RA-4 will go into US distribution via Freestyle and Cinestill.

Very good news! Thanks for your efforts!
Hoping for Fujifilm Maxima paper offered by you.....maybe in the long run? It is such an outstanding paper.

 

[pentaxuser]

After the closure of Tura in the beginning of this year we have been apointed by Fuji as the only official manufacturer to buy their genuine master rolls and convert them into sheets in an industrial way. The entire color product line will be presented under the (very succesfull) Color Mission color scheme (similar to C-TEC) and there will be more RA-4 products coming up next.

Forgive my ignorance on the production of RA4 but will the sheets you produce be the same as Fuji in terms of colour or does the mention of the Colour mission colour scheme indicate that you will be doing something to the sheets that will make the colour rendition different and unique to Adox

In other words a buyer of your RA4 sheets will not be getting an identical rendition to that which the buyer gets when he/she buys Fuji RA4 paper ?

Thanks

pentaxuser

 

[Film-Niko]

Forgive my ignorance on the production of RA4 but will the sheets you produce be the same as Fuji in terms of colour or does the mention of the Colour mission colour scheme indicate that you will be doing something to the sheets that will make the colour rendition different and unique to Adox

In other words a buyer of your RA4 sheets will not be getting an identical rendition to that which the buyer gets when he/she buys Fuji RA4 paper ?

Thanks

pentaxuser

Of course the by Adox packaged paper will have absolutely the same characteristics as the original paper.
Because it is the orginal Fujifilm paper.
The only thing Adox is doing is cutting the paper to the different paper sizes, and then packaging them into the Adox paper boxes.
That's it.

 

[GeorgK]

Forgive my ignorance on the production of RA4 but will the sheets you produce be the same as Fuji in terms of colour or does the mention of the Colour mission colour scheme indicate that you will be doing something to the sheets that will make the colour rendition different and unique to Adox

In other words a buyer of your RA4 sheets will not be getting an identical rendition to that which the buyer gets when he/she buys Fuji RA4 paper ?

Thanks

pentaxuser

"Colour mission colour scheme" refers to the colors of the new boxes.

*sigh*

 

[JParker]

After the closure of Tura in the beginning of this year we have been apointed by Fuji as the only official manufacturer to buy their genuine master rolls and convert them into sheets in an industrial way. We are not using minilab rolls and thus we can produce all sizes at very competitive prices and with state of the art quality. The entire color product line will be presented under the (very succesfull) Color Mission color scheme (similar to C-TEC) and there will be more RA-4 products coming up next. The packshots in the fotoimpex shop are placeholders. New boxes arrive in November- intermediate product will go online in intermediate boxes faster.
COLOR MISSION RA-4 will go into US distribution via Freestyle and Cinestill.

!

And I agree to what others here have said: If possible (in the mid or long term) an additional offer of the premium papers likes DP II and Maxima would be great.

 

[brbo]

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And I agree to what others here have said: If possible (in the mid or long term) an additional offer of the premium papers likes DP II and Maxima would be great.

DPII in sheets is offered by Nordfoto. Price for DPII at Nordfoto is 15-30% lower than what the Fotoimpex placeholders indicate at the moment. If Fotimpex Color Mission paper is not Maxima, I think that their "very competiteve price" might prove a bit over optimistic.

Btw, price for minilabs for Maxima is about 30% higher than DPII.

 

[perkeleellinen]

Very pleased to see 5x7, hope it comes to the UK

 

[pentaxuser]

Of course the by Adox packaged paper will have absolutely the same characteristics as the original paper.
Because it is the orginal Fujifilm paper.
The only thing Adox is doing is cutting the paper to the different paper sizes, and then packaging them into the Adox paper boxes.
That's it.

Thanks Film-Niko and to all who replied and those who didn't reply but made posts that added to my understanding. So as long as the buyer's sizes can found in Fuji paper sizes then it comes down to just a questíon of price to the buyer

pentaxuser

 

[mshchem]

After the closure of Tura in the beginning of this year we have been apointed by Fuji as the only official manufacturer to buy their genuine master rolls and convert them into sheets in an industrial way. We are not using minilab rolls and thus we can produce all sizes at very competitive prices and with state of the art quality. The entire color product line will be presented under the (very succesfull) Color Mission color scheme (similar to C-TEC) and there will be more RA-4 products coming up next. The packshots in the fotoimpex shop are placeholders. New boxes arrive in November- intermediate product will go online in intermediate boxes faster.
COLOR MISSION RA-4 will go into US distribution via Freestyle and Cinestill.

Tura????

I look forward to seeing what you will have to offer.