Actual new film or rebadge ?

canuhead · Feb 22, 2016

Saw this on my FB feed. Anyone have a clue what this is and is it worth getting excited over ?

http://i.believeinfilm.com/post/139818811382/tokyo-camera-style-heres-some-good-news

Ricardo Miranda · Feb 22, 2016

Thanks for the news.
When someone can see the complete package and the DX (if there's one) on the cassettes, one can say where it comes from.

Dennis S · Feb 22, 2016

Rebadged something. Maybe Shanghai or Lucky ?

Athiril · Feb 22, 2016

Press release says its a smooth grain film for the new digital age. Also says 'New Seagull 100/400' etc. Might be lucky film still though.

jeffreythree · Feb 22, 2016

If it was not rebadged wouldn't they have something on Oriental's website about it?

Dennis S · Feb 22, 2016

jeffreythree said:
If it was not rebadged wouldn't they have something on Oriental's website about it?

Went trough their site and they only had paper.

bence8810 · Feb 23, 2016

Hello,

This was released today in Japan - here is their press release in Japanese.

https://www.cybergraphics.co.jp/NSGFILM_PRESS20160222.pdf

I believe it's an original Oriental made film. Prices were released today too, at Yodobashi camera the following is posted:

ASA100 - 670yen (~$6US)
ASA400 - 800yen (~$7.2US)

Not exactly cheap but great that there is new film being manufactured!
Ben

MattKing · Feb 23, 2016

My understanding is that it is most likely that the current Oriental photographic paper is manufactured for them by Harman under contract.

I wonder if that also applies to this film?

chriscrawfordphoto · Feb 23, 2016

MattKing said:
My understanding is that it is most likely that the current Oriental photographic paper is manufactured for them by Harman under contract.

I wonder if that also applies to this film?

Where does the package say the paper is made? Japan or the UK?

ericdan · Feb 23, 2016

It says this will be on sale tomorrow in Japan. I'll get a roll and test it.

bence8810 · Feb 23, 2016

Yodobashi already has it listed Eric! Should be easy.

Wonder how to develop it.
Ben

ericdan · Feb 23, 2016

They list it as "accepting pre-orders now" (ただいま予約受付中!)
I'll pop in tomorrow morning and see if I can get a roll.

mooseontheloose · Feb 23, 2016

I think this means I'll be paying a visit to Yodobashi tomorrow too...

bence8810 · Feb 23, 2016

Same here - tomorrow is Yodobashi-day!
What are you going to do about developing it? I haven't seen any data anywhere.

Ben

mooseontheloose · Feb 23, 2016

Well, Yodobashi lists ID-11 as the preferred developer...I'm guessing (or hoping) there will be some developing instructions included in the box.

davedm · Feb 24, 2016

A wild guess. Ilford Pan 100 /400 (Kentmere 100/400)

MattKing · Feb 24, 2016

davedm said:
Ilford Pan 100 /400 (Kentmere 100/400)

4 different (but similar) films, manufactured by the same manufacturer.

Harman refuses to re-badge any of their Ilford or Kentmere films.

They do, however, contract manufacturing, with the customer supplying the specifications.

AgX · Feb 24, 2016

With all that custom coating at Harman we must not forget the amount of film a single masterroll yields.
And the costs of just making one masterroll different to others.

Ricardo Miranda · Feb 24, 2016

The size of a master roll at Harman is smaller than Kodak or Fuji.
It is still long enough for about 80.000 135 rolls if I'm not mistaken or if I remember well what Simon once wrote.

Too many wild guesses around.
Lets wait until someone has used them.

Ian Grant · Feb 24, 2016

I think re-badged/subcontract, from memory the Oriental coating line closed a few years ago and for quite a time had only coated B&W and colour papers.

Ian

ericdan · Feb 24, 2016

Checked today and they only had the 100 speed in stock. I'll wait for the 400 speed. It's definitely the cheapest b/w film here in Japan now.

ColColt · Feb 24, 2016

If the 400 speed film yields results close to Agfapan 400 I'm buying a case of it.

nolanr66 · Feb 26, 2016

Seems like if somebody was going to start coating film for a new line there would have been something said about it. I am guessing a re-badge or contract order from an existing company. However here in the states the cost of that film would not appeal to me. I am going to stick with TX or HP5. It's nice there is something new out there. Now if somebody would start making some camera's again that are cheaper then a new Subaru.

bence8810 · Feb 26, 2016

It's most probably Kentmere like above said, apologies for my earlier over enthusiastic post.
Someone bought it and said it says on the box "Made in UK"

There goes our new Japanese film manufacturing line I guess.

Ben

Ricardo Miranda · Feb 26, 2016

bence8810 said:
It's most probably Kentmere like above said, apologies for my earlier over enthusiastic post.
Someone bought it and said it says on the box "Made in UK"

There goes our new Japanese film manufacturing line I guess.

Ben

Ben,
It wouldn't be strictly speaking Kentmere for the reasons already pointed here and elsewhere.
As you are in Tokyo, you can test that by yourself.
Enjoy it!

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