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Hi

I've been searching for a 6x9 camera for some time, and had thought that a Voightlander Bessa would be a good choice. For the last 3 weeks every auction I bid on this same fella from Germany (klappkamera) has been out bidding me and almost everyone else. I looked at his feedback and he's been buying dozens of these things!

I'm starting to wonder if there is some renaissance of interest in shops for these things and the fella is starting up a business?


sorry to sound like a track off a Tom Waits album "mule variations"

anyway, I'm not sure if the moderators approve 'irony' and unnecessary 'humor' on this server ;-)
 

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Um, back in the days when eBay was young and it was possible to look at all of the photographic equipment listings every day, I decided that I wanted a Voigtlander Perkeo II with Color-Skopar. So for a while every time one turned up I bid on it. And every one, it seems, was bought by Kerry Thalmann. Kerry's a very serious large format photographer, and AFAIK has never sold a Perkeo. Its still a puzzle, and since you've brought it back I suppose I should ask him what he was doing.

But and however, there's a character here in the US, Jurgen Kreckel, who trades on eBay as certo6; he sells refurbished folders. I believe that he buys them wherever he can, including eBay. Perhaps klappkamera is the German certo6.
 
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"Klappkamera" means "folding camera" in German - the guy obviously fancies himself as a dealer - the cameras must be going to a market which is really hot for them - I would suspect Japan?
 

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I suspect that some eBay sellers have secondary IDs for buying. Others simply buy the camera and then flip them within a couple of days.

It's always difficult to tell if someone is buying for themselves or flipping them. But generally, if they're paying a high price, I would guess that they're buying for themselves.

It's always aggravating to get into a bidding war with the same person repeatedly and then end up paying more than you wanted or losing the item by a penny or two. Even so, there seems to be an almost infinite supply of cameras out there, and I stopped fretting long ago over eBay losses. If I lose, I immediately remove it from my list and put it out of my mind.

My favorite wins have been a Super Ikonta C for $125 because it looked very dirty and a Ducati Sogno, which was somewhat dirty and beat up.
 

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Have you thought of posting something here in the classifieds? I seldom bid on anything I really want on eBay without using enipe (esnipe.com). With a feedback rating approaching 365, I'm not just a guy with an opinion. http://www.certo6.com/ does buy, sell and repair folders and I doubt you would bump heads too hard with him as he has to resell whatever he buys, after reworking it and generate a profit in the process. He has done some work for me in the past with which I've been pleased. His site is a decent resource and worth a visit. You might also look at the Voigtlander RF. Somewhat less expensive and a very nice folder. Yes, I have both the Bessa II and the RF, but I'm not hoarding them or trying to corner the market. Bill Barber
 
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Well

this has been well worth my while ...

I seldom bid on anything I really want on eBay without using enipe (esnipe.com).

the things you learn ... btw ... just in the manner of sharing, I suppose people know of this place Toolhaus

Thanks Bill :smile:

Yes I know of certo ... I was recommended to try him, I tried to buy something off him, but he must have been busy as I never got any return emails (sent through the eBay system as he specifies)

Anyway, I normally just start searching as soon as one falls over (and have a few on the list as well). I got one just this morning actually for $100, I'll post some images from it and my feelings about it as soon as I've run a roll through it :smile:
 

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Of course with the Dollar trading at an all time low, you may be seeing many overseas buyers snapping up bargains. The Euro started out at par with the dollar and now we are at a $1.50 to a Euro. The same thing happened to Leica cameras in the early 90's when the yen went to .85 to a dollar.

There are always people going after specific parts of the market, but be glad you aren't chasing Polaroid 110's.

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Of course with the Dollar trading at an all time low, you may be seeing many overseas buyers snapping up bargains. The Euro started out at par with the dollar and now we are at a $1.50 to a Euro.

I took advantage of that fact last weekend: got myself a nice-looking Speed Graphic from overseas :smile:

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It's always aggravating to get into a bidding war with the same person repeatedly and then end up paying more than you wanted or losing the item by a penny or two.

If you lose an eBay auction by literally "a penny or two," then it really was close, and the winner paid his or her top-bid value. Most of the time, though, the second-highest bid sets the price on eBay; eBay's proxy bidding system sets the winning price to the second-highest bidder's maximum bid plus an increment value (with a few exceptions, such as if the high bid is higher than the second-highest by less than the increment amount). This system can be deceptive. For instance, if you bid $75 for a camera and the auction ends at $76, you might think, "if only I'd bid $77, I'd have won it!" That may not be true, though. The winning bidder might have entered a maximum bid of $80 or $180 or $1,876,279; there's no way to know without entering higher bids yourself.

That's part of the problem, really; eBay's system makes it tempting to enter a bid that's "just a little higher." An unwary person can do that, creeping up the auction price until the bidder finally realizes that he or she has entered a subjectively ridiculously high bid (although presumably not subjectively too high for whoever is retaining the high bid).

My own approach to eBay auctions is to decide what the item is worth to me and bid that amount. Period. I don't enter another bid if I lose the first one, except under specific circumstances (if I enter a low bid to block a buy-it-now sale or if I learn something new about an item, for instance). This approach is much less nerve-wracking than watching an item and entering small incremental bids, and it prevents me from entering emotionally-driven irrational bids.

Nsurit mentioned esnipe.com. This is one of several sniping sites and programs that help you enter a last-minute bid. Personally, I use JBidWatcher, which is a Java-based sniping program that works under Windows, MacOS, Linux, and perhaps other OSes. Sniping works well with my approach to eBay bidding, and has the advantage of keeping others from entering those emotionally-driven irrational bids. I doubt if such bids are to blame in pellicle's case, though; somebody who's buying up every sample of a given camera is most likely an eBay expert who's not bidding emotionally. I would advise reviewing the sales history on such cameras to see what they typically sell for; that'll give you an idea of what you'll have to pay to get one. If you can stomach paying a price in the range you discover, keep bidding (preferably sniping). If not, don't waste your time.
 

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I was looking at something on eBay yesterday, don't remember now exactly what is was except that it was photography related. I checked the bidding history because the item was over $50 and had over 40 bids. One bidder had bid it up from $1.50 to over $50 in 40 separate consecutive bids. I think they need to read srs5694's explanation of how bidding works.
 

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My own approach to eBay auctions is to decide what the item is worth to me and bid that amount. Period.

Any 'sane' person uses that approach at ANY auction. :smile:

Ed
 

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I recently won a couple of items for a few pennies over the other guy. Never bid amounts on the 10 or 5, always bid something like $56.78 instead of $55.00, you might be surprised how often the $.78 gets you the item.
 

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I recently won a couple of items for a few pennies over the other guy. Never bid amounts on the 10 or 5, always bid something like $56.78 instead of $55.00, you might be surprised how often the $.78 gets you the item.


Thanks for that info! My bids will now end in $.79. :wink:
 

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Sometimes I change the amount, but always more than $.50
 

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Out bid him then relist it and watch him pay you a profit.
 
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