This seems dumb to me, I'm surprised by now they don't have a definitive paper that exposes as the film was exposed like a transparency would appear correct if it were exposed correctly. Seems stupid to make people jump through hoops to produce something they already shot and developed to be a certain way, why struggle to print it when you've gone through the trouble of exposing/developing it a particular way.
You don't really understand what you are saying here... What do you REALLY mean "shot and developed to look a certain way"? We're not talking about direct positives, like slide film. A negative is an intermediate step. If you're talking about your experience thus far then "shot and developed to look a certain way" is simply referring to how YOUR scans look... on your scanner, with your workflow, on your monitor and so on. If you changed that equipment or process then your "look a certain way" would also change.
By calibrating you negative / wet print system you can you can achieve predictable results, but even then you have so many controls in the printing stage that aren't available when you make an exposure with the camera that you are quite likely to want to make adjustments in an expressive way.
SNIP - and a lot of fun too.
Stone- I think you should find someone who will print one of your negatives (which you have an ink-squirt version) on a few different papers, so you get an idea of what choices are available in wet printing.
When you scan, I would bet you at least adjust levels. If so, you are going through an hoop. When you have that "perfect," perhaps you want a little more detail in an area and use the burn tool. Another hoop.This seems dumb to me, I'm surprised by now they don't have a definitive paper that exposes as the film was exposed like a transparency would appear correct if it were exposed correctly. Seems stupid to make people jump through hoops to produce something they already shot and developed to be a certain way, why struggle to print it when you've gone through the trouble of exposing/developing it a particular way.
no to Rodinal as print developer.
you can always rent a darkroom to cut down paper to 4x5 (google says quite a few rental labs in NYC). doing it at home is dead simple as well…dark space/red or amber bulb and a trimmer. ymmv
I would also suggest spending a few days with some books to get your head around the processes and terminology etc. instead of just experimenting. While I'm not a follower of St. Ansel, his books would be a great start.
One size does not fit all... Different papers have different sensitivities, contrast, tone... A "perfectly" exposed negative may not be perfect for a particular paper. Adjustments will need to be made.
Well they need a paper in "grade perfect"
When you scan, I would bet you at least adjust levels. If so, you are going through an hoop. When you have that "perfect," perhaps you want a little more detail in an area and use the burn tool. Another hoop.
Neg-Pos printing is an "imperfect" process that, when used together, work together to be more "perfect." You have to develop with printing (or scanning) in mind. A transparency is also "imperfect," but what is considered correct is basically considered such within the confines of the medium (which is very good).
I'm not yet capable of this, but exposing a negative, then printing to paper, without any of those hoops can produce a "correct" image that most would be quite happy with; much like the automation of a C-41 mini lab. I think the point is, it can always be done better, which is where the "hoops" come in, and where I imagine most people on this BBS are coming from. Lighting and exposure can be as perfect as possible, but one may want a little more detail in a shadow, or smoother highlights, etc.
Don't worry about this at first. Just do it and enjoy it. First come up with some prints that other people think are "nice" even if they are not up to your standards; just aim for "good enough." Make sure, above all, that you enjoy yourself - this way you will not be put off by it. Only then should you worry about getting better. Progress in increments.
It has been a very long time since I've been in a darkroom. When I finally print, I will not go through all of these hoops (except to teach my best friend what I know - and what I know is little). I intend to print several rolls of B&W I've taken over the past few years - every frame, even the bad ones, and the ones that I messed up developing or creased while putting the film on the reel. It will be practice.
I will just print to get a nice pictures and be happy to have remembered that much. I will then take the better images and start going through the hoops until I get where I used to be (which was not very far), and I will be happy with that. Then I will learn and get better.
So basically, just do it. Don't worry about it. Enjoy the process first, get a feel for it; worry about becoming good at it later. Expect to make mistakes... actually, make mistakes on purpose.
Do not expect to play Paganini when you first pick up the violin, even if you can play it well on an harmonica.
Actually, they do. And, if you cant find the 4X5 paper, you can buy the readily available 4X6 paper. A small price to pay for pre cut paper.Wish they made 4x5 paper already cut, cutting in a dark tent is hard and I've tried cutting down larger film sheets to smaller and in the dark bag I just don't have the technique for it, if I had a darkroom that would be another story I suppose, but I don't really enjoy it and would rather it be done for me.
Post #376 about sums up the whole problem with this guy.
You do realize you're leading me to a place where I will only ask more annoying questions right?... Are you prepared for that?
Not right now. From a technical perspective in analog photography, I think you are a beginner, and you should begin with some simple books or the publications I've linked to. These resources will be the best way forward, not forums. You are not yet in the position to sort good and bad information, and bad information is worse than no information.
To be honest, with the exception of expired films that have a lot of base fog (I mean like 10-30 year old film) most of what you see is essentially a straight scan, with a few exceptions of course. But with most exposures, the only "digital" I do is add about 11-14 to the "clarity" slider in Lightroom 4 and maybe some dust removal and then export the image. That's it. The dust part will be my biggest nemesis in the darkroom I think...
Dinesh, please stop posting, you've been on my ignore list for a while now, and whenever I hit the "spoiler button" it's nothing but garbage, non-useful insulting garbage... Go away... You're nothing but a troll....
no to Rodinal as print developer.
you can always rent a darkroom to cut down paper to 4x5 (google says quite a few rental labs in NYC). doing it at home is dead simple as well…dark space/red or amber bulb and a trimmer. ymmv
I would also suggest spending a few days with some books to get your head around the processes and terminology etc. instead of just experimenting. While I'm not a follower of St. Ansel, his books would be a great start.
Those are still hoops, technically speaking. If everything was perfect, you'd not have to do that.To be honest, with the exception of expired films that have a lot of base fog (I mean like 10-30 year old film) most of what you see is essentially a straight scan, with a few exceptions of course. But with most exposures, the only "digital" I do is add about 11-14 to the "clarity" slider in Lightroom 4 and maybe some dust removal and then export the image. That's it. The dust part will be my biggest nemesis in the darkroom I think...
While I agree that some books would be a better starting point for you right now, I think _most_ of us would rather you ask questions about something you are actually doing. Make a print, show us, and ask for suggestions - just don't expect suggestions from me, because I'd probably be at the same level in the printing department (haven't printed in ages, and was never very good). The difference is, I'm just going to do it, read things, experiment... then I will ask for help.You do realize you're leading me to a place where I will only ask more annoying questions right?... Are you prepared for that?
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