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NER

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fyi. Excerpts from a note to Maco business partners. I think the items to the right are those that Maco offers as replacements for the items listed to the left. The language is copied verbatim. The note does not say the listed papers will be discontinued. I'm not sure what the writer means when he says Ilford will ".... CONVERT the real existent stock of non converted products." Any guesses?

Ilford has stopped the production of chemicals
Perceptol -LP-Cube XS or Rollei RLS
ID 11 -LP-SUPERGRAIN or Rollei RHS
Microphen -Champion Promicrol
Ilfosol S -one shot -LP-SUPERGRAIN
Ilfotec LC29 -Champion Promicrol
Ilfotec HC -nothing to offer
Ilfotec DD -Champion Promicrol
Phenisol -LP-Docufine HC
Ilfotec HC -nothing to offer -Promicrol is to slow
Bromophen -LP-FINE PRINT #LPP65 for 5l
PQ Universal -ecoprint or, better: LP-BROM 4 new version
Multigrade dev. -LP-BROM 4
Ilfospeed dev. -LP-BROM 4
2000 RT -LP-SPEED 2000 RT
2000 TL -LP-SPEED TL
Hypam -LP-FIX SUPRA
Rapid hardener -LP-FIX HARDENER
ILFOFIX powder -only per special order, minimum 200 x 5 l
Paper Fixer -LP-FIX SUPRA
2000 RT Fixier -LP-FIX SUPRA
2000 TL complete set-LP-2000 TL complete set #LPP24
Ilfostop -LP-CITRIN
Washaid -nothing to offer, because of LP-FIX NEUTRAL no
demand
Ilfotol -LP-MASTERPROOF (much better, there is no
comparison)
Ilfoclean -nothing
Bioclean -nothing
MG Filter Set -LP #FIL8 + #FIL15
Controlstrips -R3 Controlstrips #RF4035


Multigrade MG -Multispeed is coated onto a thicker base, a little
bit
MG de Luxe warmer image tone, higher silver content. (Like
Agfa
Multicontrast 1:1)
MG IV RC 1M -MS 1F (310)
MG IV RC 44M -MS 2M (312)
MG IV RC 25M -nothing to offer, sorry
MG Portfolio -nothing to offer
MG RC Warmtone -nothing to offer
Ilfospeed RC -special order, minimum 2.500 EURO, 6-7 weeks
del.time
MG IV FB 1K -Multibrom F oder Oriental VC-FB
MG IV FB 5K -nothing to offer
MG FB Warmtone -Oriental VC-FB-Warmtone
Ilfobrom Galerie FB -Oriental New Seagull G

In the next three months the Ilford Mobberley company will CONVERT the
real existent stock of non converted products. In gigantic volumes. To
higher prices
as before. Does the "old" factory in Scotland will find an investor?
Nobody knows.

Some new informations round around the MACO product range:
MULTIBROM F -continous production, old prices.
expo RF 2+3+4 -see Multibrom F, but 10% higher prices.
expo RF -CHLOROBROMID-Emulsion, like Agfa Record Rapid.
ORIENTAL VC -new: German converting into 10 sheet pouches.
#AGV17F 30x40/10 € 23,60
#AGV19F 40x50/10 € 39,70
#WT17F 30x40/10 € 26,00
#WT19F 40x50/10 € 44,80
CHAMPION MACO ist selling two different CHAMPION
developers:
PROMICROL Negativ-developer
MULTICONTRAST Positiv-Edeveloper.
PROMICROL 1l conc. 1+9 or 1+14, 6 bottles per
carton
Article #CF11 € 9,90,
MULTICONTRAST 5l, 1+2 bis 1+12,2 cans per carton,
)
Article #CP15 € 34,90,

Please note:
in JANUARY 2005 MACO is cutting every "crazy size" of R3 sheet films.
For example: 7"x17"; 11"x14"; 16x20" and so on.
Minimum order quantity: 50 sheets per size.
The price is € 86,11 per sqm.
With this information everyone should be able to calculate his own
special size based onto 50 sheets as an order minimum.
Example:
7"x17"/50 total € 333,00
11"x14"/50 total € 422,00
16"x20"/50 total € 888,00
20"x24"/50 total € 1.334,00
(all films are packed as 5x10 sheets).
ORDER DEAD LINE:
31. January 2005 order arrival in Hamburg/Germany.
 

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Interesting....


"Does the "old" factory in Scotland will find an investor? Nobody knows."

Scotland? Mobberley is just outside Manchester...

"ID 11 -LP-SUPERGRAIN or Rollei RHS" So, not D76 then?....


Clearly, neither English, nor Geography featured heavily in this writers education. I do note however that Maco are selling Champion chemicals, and Champion were one of the companies suggested who could make Ilford chemicals in future. Possibly some "chemical leakage" between Champion and Maco has occured...


Cheers, Bob.
 

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Bob F. said:
Interesting....


"Does the "old" factory in Scotland will find an investor? Nobody knows."

Scotland? Mobberley is just outside Manchester...

"ID 11 -LP-SUPERGRAIN or Rollei RHS" So, not D76 then?....


Clearly, neither English, nor Geography featured heavily in this writers education. I do note however that Maco are selling Champion chemicals, and Champion were one of the companies suggested who could make Ilford chemicals in future. Possibly some "chemical leakage" between Champion and Maco has occured...


Cheers, Bob.

Maco has a deal with Champion for Europe and that is what I think they are trying to say.
 

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Hmmm....

According to Silverprint:

"Look to an announcement in December regarding Ilford's future - and by this stage we can be sure that it will be good news.
Ilford material is rolling in to us as usual, (6/11/04) and we are well stocked on film and paper - the exception is their chemistry, where manufacture is to be subcontracted out to an outside chemical manufacturer. Most Ilford chemicals are now out of stock and it will be December 04 at the earliest before supply is resumed."

Yes, Ilford are in trouble. Yes, the chemicals have been subcontracted out. Yes, there is a hiatus in supply. I'm sure we all hope that these problems will be resolved. If they aren't we will be forced to seek alternatives. But...

...they ain't dead yet.

I've always had a good opinion of Maco. I hope they don't spoil that now by acting like a circling vulture....
 

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The price increase for a lot of Ilford's chemical products is true.

SFX is discontinued. The chance of coming back is there but slim.

The good side of this news is, other Ilford films are not discontinued at this time.
 
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NER said:
fyi. Excerpts from a note to Maco business partners. I think the items to the right are those that Maco offers as replacements for the items listed to the left. The language is copied verbatim. The note does not say the listed papers will be discontinued. I'm not sure what the writer means when he says Ilford will ".... CONVERT the real existent stock of non converted products." Any guesses?

I guess, they mean "konfektionieren", at 4:30 a.m. I can not think of the english words, so "cut to size" should give you an idea.

I found certain original products to be cheaper than the same material boxed as Maco, so we use the bright orange boxes (easier to find in the darkroom anyway) from Agfa.

Wolfram
 
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Dr.Kollig said:
I guess, they mean "konfektionieren", at 4:30 a.m. I can not think of the english words, so "cut to size" should give you an idea.

I found certain original products to be cheaper than the same material boxed as Maco, so we use the bright orange boxes (easier to find in the darkroom anyway) from Agfa.

Wolfram
Alles Klar.
 
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