A Frustration With My Nikkormat

[Chan Tran]

Are there any clockwork governed shutters that allowed in-between speeds? I've not heard of any, though it's not information I've ever looked into.

The Nikon F2 is one but then you wouldn't know exactly what speed you're setting. In fact modern cameras don't allow settings between speeds, only that the steps are closer.

 

[flavio81]

As much as I still love my ailing Nikkormat, there is one thing about it the continually frustrates me.

You may think that I am silly, but I have been spoiled by the accuracy that I can achieve with my F90x, and its stepless shutter.

The problem lies in shoot scenes of mixed lighting in broad daylight, and only having 1/500 and 1/1000 to choose from, instead of 1/750, which would give me the most accurate exposure.

Why the makers of these old mechanical cameras didn't equip them with this usable intermediate speed is perplexing.

You can shoot at some intermediate speeds in the Nikkormat, specifically THAT intermediate speed.

Read the manual.

 

[flavio81]

Are there any clockwork governed shutters that allowed in-between speeds? I've not heard of any, though it's not information I've ever looked into.

Nikon F2
Leicaflex
probably many others (Exa, probably)
and any camera that uses the mechanical Copal Square shutter: NIkkormat,,Ricoh TLS, etc.

 

[George Mann]

You can shoot at some intermediate speeds in the Nikkormat, specifically THAT intermediate speed.

Read the manual.

I have been using an FT2 since 1975, and this is the first time that I have heard of this!

Where is it mentioned in the manual?

 

[M-88]

Adding an intermediate set of gears between 1/500 and 1/1000 is an elementary task.

Adding a half-stop between f/5.6 and f/8 on the lens itself is even more elementary.

 

[flavio81]

I have been using an FT2 since 1975, and this is the first time that I have heard of this!

Where is it mentioned in the manual?

CLOSELY MANUAL THE READ MUST YOU
This is not a charade... we need total concentration!

FTN manual
Mike Butkus is a God.

 

[George Mann]

CLOSELY MANUAL THE READ MUST YOU
This is not a charade... we need total concentration!

FTN manual
Mike Butkus is a God.

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A vague mention of a mythical intermediate shutter speed is your answer?

 

[George Mann]

Adding a half-stop between f/5.6 and f/8 on the lens itself is even more elementary.

But pretty crude from an engineering standpoint!

 

[flavio81]

A vague mention of a mythical intermediate shutter speed is your answer?

That's it, I won't help you anymore. I took my time to find the actual manual, take the screenshot, crop it and post it here. Minimal reading comprehension tells you the answer regarding intermediate speeds on the FTN or any Nikkormat with the same shutter.

End of our casual internet friendship.

Bye bye.

 

[George Mann]

That's it, I won't help you anymore. I took my time to find the actual manual, take the screenshot, crop it and post it here. Minimal reading comprehension tells you the answer regarding intermediate speeds on the FTN or any Nikkormat with the same shutter.

End of our casual internet friendship.

Bye bye.

You can do better than to provide a cheap copout!

 

[flavio81]

You can do better than to provide a cheap copout!

You tell above "adding an intermediate set of gears between 1/500 and 1/1000 is an elementary task".

Should you have been true to the spirrit of engineering (and you claim having invented an analog laserdisc on other thread, and write from the "engineering standpoint!" here), you would have found out first how a vertical FP shutter like the Copal Square works.

If you had, then you would had ealized that:

- You don't need to add any "intermediate set of gears" for adding any speed above the sync speed which is 1/125..

- The way the speed selection works at the aformenetioned speeds, internediate speeds is the natural outcome, not a special feature.

Now bye bye, I don't want to keep this thankless task of helping you out in things that you should have researched first.

 

[George Mann]

You tell above "adding an intermediate set of gears between 1/500 and 1/1000 is an elementary task".

Should you have been true to the spirrit of engineering (and you claim having invented an analog laserdisc on other thread, and write from the "engineering standpoint!" here), you would have found out first how a vertical FP shutter like the Copal Square works.

If you had, then you would had ealized that:

- You don't need to add any "intermediate set of gears" for adding any speed above the sync speed which is 1/125..

- The way the speed selection works at the aformenetioned speeds, internediate speeds is the natural outcome, not a special feature.

Now bye bye, I don't want to keep this thankless task of helping you out in things that you should have researched first.

You have yet to explain how one is to access such a speed directly from the shutter of a Nikkormat!

I explained briefly that one could simply add this speed to this type of shutter in the development process.

Furthermore, I have invented and engineered countless things that you wouldn't even begin to understand, so don't be so smug as to think that you have anything on me intellectually!

 

[M-88]

But pretty crude from an engineering standpoint!

I think manufacturers are focusing on more profit with lesa expenses, rather than anything else.

It isn't always about engineering. I'm sure there ia at least one camera with intermediate speeds et cetera, but had the idea proven itself viable and economically profitable, everybody else would make such cameras as well.

 

[flavio81]

Furthermore, I have invented and engineered countless things that you wouldn't even begin to understand, so don't be so smug as to think that you have anything on me intellectually!

What is more smug than pretending i couldn't understand certain things?!

What a silly post. You're going straight to my ignore list. Bye bye.

 

[George Mann]

I think manufacturers are focusing on more profit with lesa expenses, rather than anything else.

As always!

It isn't always about engineering. I'm sure there ia at least one camera with intermediate speeds et cetera, but had the idea proven itself viable and economically profitable, everybody else would make such cameras as well.

It's called a stepless electronically controlled shutter. Many cameras have one.

 

[M-88]

As always!



It's called a stepless electronically controlled shutter. Many cameras have one.

I'm talking about mechanical shutters, since you are specifically referring to those:

"Why the makers of these old mechanical cameras didn't equip them with this usable intermediate speed is perplexing"

And besides, most cameras with stepless shutters had such option only in automatic or semi-automatic mode. While in manual mode, they still resorted to old-fashioned, stepped shutter speeds.

 

[George Mann]

What is more smug than pretending i couldn't understand certain things?!

What a silly post. You're going straight to my ignore list. Bye bye.

Perhaps someday you can prove me wrong, but today you have only proven to be giving me the runaround.

 

[George Mann]

I'm talking about mechanical shutters, since you are specifically referring to those:

"Why the makers of these old mechanical cameras didn't equip them with this usable intermediate speed is perplexing"

And besides, most cameras with stepless shutters had such option only in automatic or semi-automatic mode. While in manual mode, they still resorted to old-fashioned, stepped shutter speeds.

Sure, OK. I use my F90x in aperture priority, giving me the aforementioned stepless benefit.

 

[bernard_L]

Ignore list. Unwatch.

 

[Craig75]

it is a testament to just how genuine, gentle, and sincere so many people are on photrio that so many people still reply to George Mann.

 

[blockend]

Plenty of lenses have stop-less aperture rings. People grumble about them constantly, but a detent ball is no substitute for accuracy. Cinema lenses lack click stops, and cost tens of thousands. If you want step-less exposure, you have to accept electronic shutters, battery power and the aging tech that goes with them.

 

[guangong]

What is your acceptable limit of duds per roll?

What do you mean be “dud”? If you mean wrong exposure, very, very few. Otherwise, a dud depends upon intent and standards. Low standards, few duds, high standards, many duds. G.B. Shaw described the ratio of successes to failures to the number of salmon who make it upstream to spawn.

 

[blockend]

The latest d*g*t*l cameras offer a highlight weighted metering option, which changes during exposure if necessary. Which is surely the gold standard of metering accuracy and control. I feel confident saying the mode will never reach a film camera.

 

[George Mann]

it is a testament to just how genuine, gentle, and sincere so many people are on photrio that so many people still reply to George Mann.

Why shouldn't they? Is it really wrong to defend oneself against dishonest gameplayers?

 

[Cholentpot]

I still don't know how to get intermittent speeds with the nikkormat. Set the shutter between marks?