I choose to not use Twitter, but here are some thoughts on it:
The Ilford Photo twitter page has about 1,000 more followers than Kodak and while they do have more of a variety of posts including photos, they also emerged from re-structuring 10 years ago, so the following they have on twitter is indicative of a following in general in that I suspect Ilford followers have felt more "safe"....the photo world was hugely different 10 years ago compared to now, things have settled for Ilford Harman.
Stone, can't you just start posting images to the Kodak Twitter then? I mean, what is the technical difference between posting to the Kodak or the Ilford one? Ilford's Twitter feed is lively because of the people who contribute to it, if we stand around waiting for folks to show up to the Kodak one without making our own contributions, then we are part of the problem.
Also your comment about Twitter doesn't make sense, Twitter is something that you post on your own feet, you can @ ("at")someone to get there attention, and sometimes others that follow them will see you're @, but it's not quite the same thing as them "re-tweeting" your post of an image, which is what they should be doing, rewarding people for using their products through attention, contests, etc, like TIP (The Impossible Project) does on their Instagram.
AND they get a free stock image that they don't have to pay for to put on a box, although I don't think they pay for those images anyway, it's still something to mention.
The first paragraph...which comment I made does not make sense?
The second one, good god Stone, I would think you would be the last one to advocate rights grabs. If they do a contest, they should do it for wholly good reasons, that people are entering it to show how good their product is, that should be enough.
haha, I've only been allowed into a hipster club once, and it was under duress, I mean the real ones... it's pretty elite hah!
I think that giving people a camera with SOME controls, and SOME education would go a long way to helping people get into it, just give them a few settings like the old Kodak folder cameras, 1/100, 1/50, 1/25, B, T ... that way they LEARN something and become more invested in it by having "elite" lost knowledge...
Anyway this whole discussion is stupid, someone asked why I cringed, and it's because of a perspective I have, it doesn't mean it's right, even I know it's not right, I'm just telling you my reaction to it, it's a reflex...
hehe *snicker*
Hey Stone, i'm with you on this. Although, it has some good news but i bet this would have some bad news in the future.. Film price etc etc..
I'm also a Vinyl lover although i'm not into Hi-end audio stuff. I'm a digger.. These hipsters makes the Vinyl world go crazy.. What i noticed lately is the record prices are going up higher especially the new releases. Years ago you can get $8.99-$10.99 new releases, now it's going up because of the resurgence... I don't think that's getting any better. New album cost almost double, reissue and stuff.. Oh well.. I just hope these two (Film and Vinyl records) won't turn into very expensive hobby that i won't be able to afford in the next few years.
Well, looks like they (Kodak - Alaris) are doing something....
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)
Popped up in my mail now - lovely isn't it? Kodak is going where a ready and un-complaining market exists!!
It will definitely do a good deal for the market share. I wonder if lomo is going to be a hub now!
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Oh don't worry, lots of old photographers will start to gripe about this too, how kodak is going "amateur " or some crap... lol
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kodak INVENTED the amateur market
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kodak INVENTED the amateur market
I read that somewhere a few years ago and it's just a US illusion. A bit like Beaumont Newhall's History of Photography.
That doesn't mean either is false rather that they are purely US viewpoints and have little in common with the wider reality in the rest of the world. Kodak certainly didn't invent the amateur market but they learnt how to milk itThat's good business.
Ian
I read that somewhere a few years ago and it's just a US illusion. A bit like Beaumont Newhall's History of Photography.
That doesn't mean either is false rather that they are purely US viewpoints and have little in common with the wider reality in the rest of the world. Kodak certainly didn't invent the amateur market but they learnt how to milk itThat's good business.
Ian
Yeah I suppose it's kind of ironic, Kodak cameras though some of them in the early days were more elaborate, then all of a sudden it seems like they just produced a bunch of plastic junk for a while, film was always good, but their cameras sometimes sucked just like the Lomography cameras do.. Good point John.
hi ian
you are right
they capitalized on it ..
and even after they nearly lost their shirt when the person who
invented roll film sued them for millions ( and won! ) .. the history writers
have most people brainwashed in saying kodak invented roll filmthats good business+marketing too
as soon as it was possible to make cheap / inexpensive cameras ( inexpensive materials ) kodak did
millions of box cameras and other stuff just like everyone else in the usa and abroad between ww1+2 and then
even more so afterwards. the lomo cameras aren't really much different than what was being sold already (by kodak )
except they ( lomo ) have capitalized on the crowd that want to shoot lofi/low tech stuff.
( if kodak continued to make cheap 35mm and 120 cameras until their demise they would have given lomo and holga a run for the $$
seeing they have a 100+ year history doing just that )
i agree with their (lomo ) philosophy quite a bit and think that with fewer controls ( focus aperture shutter speed ) it frees
the photographer to just take photographs instead of everything else. yeah i know, i have full control cameras too
but they aren't as much fun
naah has nothing to do with luck .. if you know your equipment, and materials
it is just as easy to take a great photograph without controls as it is with controls ...
look at some of the stellar holga work done by eddie and jersey vic ( just for 2 ) ... absolutely mindblowing and no controls.
i hope next they send some master rolls to photo warehouse so THEY can start doing custom sheet sizes again....
There's a company that does, I just emailed them about doing a custom 4x5 in double-x... They said they might... So.. If they can do that, the sky's the limit on other stuff.
Double x vs. super double x. Didn't think they coated double x on a estar base, at least not in recent years. Thought it was MP only.
I'll quote my father:
"There have been far more great photographs taken with Brownies/Instamatics than all the SLRs and high-end cameras combined."
I think Stone is too young to know that at one time, in North America at least, people used the words "Kodak" and "Camera" interchangeably.
I think Stone is too young to know that at one time, in North America at least, people used the words "Kodak" and "Camera" interchangeably.
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