6x9 slide projector?

[AgX]

Epidiascopes where produced in Romania too. I missed one for about 40 Euros.
Since folding cameras could used 6 x 9 format it is quite ridiculous that no one (or allmost no one) in Europe made home use 6 x 9 slide projectors.

When slide projection came up folders were already more or less a case of the past. In any case rather intended for people taking a snap now or or then, having it contact printed, some special ones enlarged. A projector for 6x9 would hardly be a budget product, even in a simple form. Moreover, people projecting rather did so in larger number, which contradicts to the to the rather restricted approach.

(I would not be surprised if my categorisation causes some criticism.)

 

[wiltw]

Why in the world, if there where 6 x 9 slides they didn't made any projector for that format?
There where some projectors that could project images from printe pages and also from film... can't those project larger fromat slides?

There are 6x9cm transparencies and there are also 4x5" transparencies. There were neither 6x9 slide holders nor 4x5 slide holders ever made...not made for projection.

 

[nokia2010]

Well, I will put some criticism. So allmost no one used folders after the '50's or mid '60's, even if they where good nice cameras?
"Leica" made under the name "Leitz" 6 x 6 projectors. So why not 6 x 9 too?
And I doubt that even in the '30's (let alone late '50's) there wherent at least 1/500-1/1000 households in Germany, France, Great Britain that would be intrested in slides. They made home use 8 and 16 m.m. film projectors but no 6 x 9 slide projectors?

Oh, you get a projector, but when you need the frame for them, I think that's pretty hard. Maybe a crafstmen can do some wood ones.

 

[AgX]

There are 6x9cm transparencies and there are also 4x5" transparencies. There were neither 6x9 slide holders nor 4x5 slide holders ever made...not made for projection.

As I indicated above, 6x9 mounts are currently available.

9x12 mounts existed. For instance from Leitz.

 

[nokia2010]

@AgX , how do you say slide projector, slide mounts/frame in German?

 

[AgX]

Diarahmen

 

[AgX]

Well, I will put some criticism. So allmost no one used folders after the '50's or mid '60's, even if they where good nice cameras?

I did not say nor mean that no one used then, but I meant that they technically were a thing of the past and rather used by a clientele that rather not would do projecting.

So you got people who had a print made now and then, and rather budget orientated. And people who where rather inclined in taking more photos and showing them as slides, willling to spend more money on photgraphy. These typically used 35mm film.
So far my assumption.

 

[wiltw]

As I indicated above, 6x9 mounts are currently available.

9x12 mounts existed. For instance from Leitz.

So is there a slide projector which allows (or used to allow, when it was made) projection of the 6x9 and 6x12 mounted transparencies (slides)?
Or are we talking about what I used to see in classrooms in school during antiquity...the overhead projector?!

 

[mnemosyne]

So is there a slide projector which allows (or used to allow, when it was made) projection of the 6x9 and 6x12 mounted transparencies (slides)?
Or are we talking about what I used to see in classrooms in school during antiquity...the overhead projector?!

http://www.jensen-diaprojektoren.de...art/projektoren/jensen-gmf690-detail?Itemid=0
also supplies mounting frames

He may be able to custom build a projector for larger formats

 

[AgX]

So is there a slide projector which allows (or used to allow, when it was made) projection of the 6x9 and 6x12 mounted transparencies (slides)?
Or are we talking about what I used to see in classrooms in school during antiquity...the overhead projector?!

I am speaking of 6x9 and 9x12 mounted transparencies, projectecd in a projector of standard design.

 

[PittP]

my newly acquired Fuji GW690III. It was a slide film. ... I want to see them BIG

You are right, projection is special!
The OLD ProCabin (made of metal), which was also sold by Linhof, has a filmgate of 82 x 58 mm IIRR, only slight vignetting, horizontal and vertical positioning. The optical system is ok.
(The Leitz Prado and Liesegang Diafant 6x7 have a film gate of 68 mm.)
Make a filmholder for a strip of 3-4 pictures from two polished glass panes, which can be pushed through from side to side.
Alternative: Glass behind film only, cardboard frame in front to hold film ... off you go. This works VERY well and keeps the film relatively cool.
Now, this thingy comes with a DYR light bulb of 650 W, less than common. It produces a lot of heat. The projector though has two fans (for noise and warming the room).
Good luck finding one!
Best! P.

 

[Henning Serger]

http://www.jensen-diaprojektoren.de...art/projektoren/jensen-gmf690-detail?Itemid=0
also supplies mounting frames

He may be able to custom build a projector for larger formats

Exactly.
I know him personally (very nice guy, and an excellent technician who has learned his craft at the Götschmann projector production). I have also seen his 6x9 projector in use: Excellent quality, build like a tank. Highly recommended.

As for sheet film projection: He is thinking about building a projector for it. If you are interested, just contact him.

Otherwise, there are projectors for large format build in Austria for many years by PANI:
http://www.pani.com/cms/index.php

Best regards,
Henning

 

[nokia2010]

Found a German series made one: Liesegant Avanti II

 

[macfred]

Liesegang Avanti II https://muehlenmeier.net/2008/06/07/liesegang-avanti-ii/
For this one will have to look for the wooden Frame Adapters or maybe one can build his own.

 

[nokia2010]

I wonder if those wood holders (wood, nice) can accept glass plates too or only film.
Nice thing, but stiil expensive for my budget. Think that for me is the price of that thing multiplied by 3.
There where things called magic lanters. Usually they had holders (frames) for 8 x 8 format... but I wonder if they where any larger.

 

[macfred]

I wonder if those wood holders (wood, nice) can accept glass plates too or only film ...

The slit for the transparencies in the wooden frames is 3,8 mm.

 

[Hatchetman]

Wouldn't one of these old university projectors work? I think you'd have to put the slides between glass.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-SP...000114?hash=item366d1f4632:g:AbgAAOSw6XZfl2Wg

 

[nokia2010]

"Liesegang" Avanti was exsited also as simple model, not only as II. But they are hard to find I see.
But there wheren't lighter epidiscopes... no more then 40-50 kilograms?
https://dewiki.de/Lexikon/Liesegang_(Unternehmen)

 

[nokia2010]

Now here's come the big question: there where any STEREO projectors for this format?

 

[grat]

Not really. There's no simple way of ensuring the left eye sees one image, and the right eye sees the other.

There are the red/blue filters, and 90 degree polarized light tricks-- but both require glasses.

Then there's the viewmaster and relatives-- and these days, google cardboard, or more sophisticated, VR setups, that can project a stereo image for 3D efffect.

 

[JX333555]

Maybe use an enlarger as projector? Theres one called intrepid compact enlarger for up to 6x9. You just have to buy extra enlarger lens.

 

[Sanug]

In Germany there were some 6x9cm projectors:

Diafant
Noblux
Goetschmann

All out of production and difficult to find.

 

[GregY]

Why in the world, if there where 6 x 9 slides they didn't made any projector for that format?
There where some projectors that could project images from printe pages and also from film... can't those project larger fromat slides?

"They" made transparency film. As Matt mentions slide film had wide commercial use. As an example transparency film was widely used for commercial printing. While not generally medium format National Geographic photographers used hundreds of thousands of rolls of transparency film.....for photos published in the magazine.

 

[Tom Taylor]

Noblux, or something like that, made a 4x5 projector that B&H carried for a while priced at $3,000. I couldn't afford it at the time and then when I could it was discontinued. I ran across a used one on ebay for $2,000 located in Eastern Europe but the seller didn't have enough prior sales to qualify for the ebay guarantee so I didn't order it.

The old InkJet Arts in Salt Lake City sold Blaire cardboard mounts in all sizes up to 4x5, maybe 8x10 also. I was a longtime purchaser of the 6x7 version from Adorama until Adorama stopped carrying them. I stopped by their SLC location while on a road trip and purchased the remaining inventory of 6x7, 6x9 and 4x5 - the 6x7 and 4x5 I still have some remaining.

 

[GregY]

Just a thought, cardboard mounts, weren't necessarily created so you could project a slide.....but for easy handling viewing them on an editor's light table.