6x6cm Slide projector needed

[rmjranch]

Looking to purchase a good quality 2x2 slide projector. Lots available on Ebay. Thoughts??

 

[chip j]

Leicas are tops.

 

[Fixcinater]

If you mean 2.25" x 2.25" or 6x6cm, I am pleased with my Rollei P66E, bought used with a 150/2.8 Heidosmat. I'm sure the 150/2.8 AV Xenotar is better still as well as the other P66 models that use 250W lamps but no complaints.

 

[Sirius Glass]

By 2x2 are you referring to the slide size which covers 35mm single [or half frame], 35mm [double frame], super slides, Instamatic and 828 film or are you referring to 2'"x2" negative?

 

[MattKing]

The fact that this is started in the medium format sub-forum leads me to a guess that the OP is interested in a medium format projector, but that certainly could be incorrect.

 

[Sirius Glass]

The fact that this is started in the medium format sub-forum leads me to a guess that the OP is interested in a medium format projector, but that certainly could be incorrect.

Rather then having the thread ramble on for many posts, I posted that to clarify exactly what the OP was looking for. My father had gotten great use from his Bausch and Lomb projector. When I inherited his Mamiya C330 no one could find the projector. I had so much trouble finding one of those and the slide trays in 2008, that I decided to continue to shoot negative film instead. I looked at the high end European brands too, but gave up.

 

[johnielvis]

I got a nice kindermann manual projector with a shit tonne of rollei slide magazine 6x6's for it. These are the best because no electronics or motors for slide advance--and they take the rollei slide trays---will last a lifetime and no headaches with automatied advance mechanisms. the rollei I had SUCKED. it jammed constantly and ruined quite a bit of cardboard mounted original kodachrom 6x6 slides. get the manual one like I got OR a hasselblad that has GRAVITY drop--so the slides don't get crushed. Actually I don't use it all that much no more--if you're in chicago and can pick it up, you can have it cheep.

 

[rmjranch]

6x6cm or 2.25 x 2.25 Hasselblad. Sorry for the confusion

 

[Alan Gales]

6x6cm or 2.25 x 2.25 Hasselblad. Sorry for the confusion

Get a Hasselblad projector for your Hasselblad!

I own a Kindermann myself. It may not be a Hasselblad but it is a lot of bang for your buck!

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

Title updated.

 

[rmjranch]

Johnielvis: Thanks for your information. Please check your PM.

 

[etn]

Get a Hasselblad projector for your Hasselblad!

I own a Kindermann myself. It may not be a Hasselblad but it is a lot of bang for your buck!

I own both a Liesegang (which seems pretty much like a Kindermann with a different brand name) as well as a Hassy PCP80 and compared them side by side. The Liesegang/Kindermann has more vignetting, which is very apparent when projecting a "blank slide" (=no film in the slide mount). The Hasselblad lens has approx. twice the diameter of the Kindermann lens, which surely accounts for the lower amount of vignetting. However, with a real slide, the difference is not really apparent. Also, there is little difference in sharpness or contrast between the two. Side note: I have to say that when I bought the Liesegang projector, I was lucky to get a high quality lens with it. Most similar 2nd hand projectors I see on the market have lower quality lenses.

The big plus of the PCP80 is the perspective correction (the PCP comes from Perspective Correction Projector, 80 slides magazine). Its disadvantages are that it relies on electronics, it takes specific magazines which are difficult to find (they fetch over $100 on ebay those days, which is crazy if you ask me), and the projector itself can go well over $1000. If you have the dough and find a good deal, I highly recommend it. But it is in no way necessary to enjoy good medium format projections!

More than a fancy projector, I recommend to buy 1) a good lens for your projector, 2) good glass mounts such as the Gepe 6x6 Glass mounts. They don't come cheap (here a 20-pc box costs close to 30 euros), but you can reuse them.

If you happen to be in Munich let me know, I will happily show you some slides and my projectors to give you an idea.

 

[Arklatexian]

By 2x2 are you referring to the slide size which covers 35mm single [or half frame], 35mm [double frame], super slides, Instamatic and 828 film or are you referring to 2'"x2" negative?

Sirius, I think he is asking about projectors for 2 1/4" x 2 1/4" transparencies like maybe a Hasselblad or Rollei for a projector that takes "trays". or maybe a Leitz Prado, in that size, for projecting one at a time. Me? I would like both a 2 1/4 x 2 1/4 Prado AND a Hasselblad with all the trimmings. And it would be nice if I were 50 years younger also, but I am not and I would be courting disaster If I bought the Prado sooooo, I will stay with B&W darkroom prints and If I shoot slides it would be back to 35mm for me.....Regards!

 

[Alan Gales]

I own both a Liesegang (which seems pretty much like a Kindermann with a different brand name) as well as a Hassy PCP80 and compared them side by side. The Liesegang/Kindermann has more vignetting, which is very apparent when projecting a "blank slide" (=no film in the slide mount). The Hasselblad lens has approx. twice the diameter of the Kindermann lens, which surely accounts for the lower amount of vignetting. However, with a real slide, the difference is not really apparent. Also, there is little difference in sharpness or contrast between the two. Side note: I have to say that when I bought the Liesegang projector, I was lucky to get a high quality lens with it. Most similar 2nd hand projectors I see on the market have lower quality lenses.

The big plus of the PCP80 is the perspective correction (the PCP comes from Perspective Correction Projector, 80 slides magazine). Its disadvantages are that it relies on electronics, it takes specific magazines which are difficult to find (they fetch over $100 on ebay those days, which is crazy if you ask me), and the projector itself can go well over $1000. If you have the dough and find a good deal, I highly recommend it. But it is in no way necessary to enjoy good medium format projections!

More than a fancy projector, I recommend to buy 1) a good lens for your projector, 2) good glass mounts such as the Gepe 6x6 Glass mounts. They don't come cheap (here a 20-pc box costs close to 30 euros), but you can reuse them.

If you happen to be in Munich let me know, I will happily show you some slides and my projectors to give you an idea.

Thanks for the info. It's nice to get a review by someone who owns both. I use the Gepe glass slide mounts for my Kindermann like you.

I also own a Kodak projector for 35mm slides. I bought it back in the 80's and at the time I wanted a Leitz projector and couldn't afford it. I bought the Kodak projector with a Schneider lens instead of the Kodak lens though. Like you say, a good lens helps!

 

[etn]

Alan, you are entirely welcome. Meanwhile I had a look at the lens on my Liesegang, it is a Will Wetzlar Lumagon 150mm. Most Kindermann/Liesegang projectors I see e.g. on ebay have the lower-end Will Wetzlar Maginon. I did not test the Maginon, but believe it shows a big difference with the Lumagon.

Coming back to the PCP80, I did not mention several of its features: automatic switchover to a redundant light bulb in case of main bulb failure; possibility to "synchronize" several projectors for seamless transition from one slide to the next, synchronization with an audio tape (which requires additional gear) etc. All this surely make sense in a professional projection context, but are (in my opinion) irrelevant for home projection like I do. The most interesting aspect of the PCP80 is probably its optical quality, which is as good as it gets. It is also a brick at twice the size and thrice the weight (and probably 10 times the cost) of a Kindermann.

I would be interested in comparing those with a Goetschmann too. The Goetschmann also does 6x7 and Xpan formats, which is probably useless, as slide mounts for those do not seem to be available anymore.

 

[Alan Gales]

Alan, you are entirely welcome. Meanwhile I had a look at the lens on my Liesegang, it is a Will Wetzlar Lumagon 150mm. Most Kindermann/Liesegang projectors I see e.g. on ebay have the lower-end Will Wetzlar Maginon. I did not test the Maginon, but believe it shows a big difference with the Lumagon.

My Kindermann says it's a type 1041 on the bottom of the projector. It has a Patrinast 150mm f 3.5 lens. I'm assuming it's a lower end lens. I didn't pay much for the projector.

 

[MattKing]

The Goetschmann also does 6x7 and Xpan formats, which is probably useless, as slide mounts for those do not seem to be available anymore.

There are still 6x7 slide mounts on Gepe's website.

 

[etn]

There are still 6x7 slide mounts on Gepe's website.

Good to know, thank you!
(Corollary: Oh no, now there's nothing preventing me from buying a 6x7 camera !!!)

 

[FujiLove]

I use a Rollei Rolleivision 66 and love it.

Lots on eBay and not for silly money.

 

[saman13]

I got an an Ansco Dualet on ebay for $25 shipped if I remember correctly. Very simple push/pull projector but it does both 35mm and 6x6 with pretty good results. I've never owned a "better" projector so I don't have anything to compare it to, but I can't complain about the quality.

 

[macfred]

I still have the Leitz Prado 66 (with Elmaron 150mm / 300 Watt bulb) my father gave to me.
I don't shoot too many slides, so I am quite satisfied with the slightly spartan features of the Prado.

The Rollei P11 has some great reputation too.
Most of the P11 are equipped with a 150 mm lens (2.8 and 3.5 versions of the 150mm Heidosmat). The 2.8 version is better regarded.
Highly recommended : AV XENOTAR 150/2.8 Schneider Kreuznach.
There is also a Heidosmat 110mm 2.8 and a zoom lens (Heidosmat-Vario 110-160mm 3.5).
There are different bulbs available for the P11: 300 Watt 220V G17Q and 500 Watt 220V G17Q. The 500 Watt bulb needs an additional heat filter (heat filter 610570 for Rollei P11).
Those bulbs are very pricey and sometimes hard to find. https://www.hcinema.de/lampen/shop-en.php?id=so3360

For those who like AF the Rollei P66 is another recommendation. Notice : For the price of 1 bulb for the P11 you will get about 5 or more bulbs for the P66 (RSE53 24V 150 Watt) !

 

[etn]

I use a Rollei Rolleivision 66 and love it.

Lots on eBay and not for silly money.

I agree that the price of Hassy projectors has become insane!
Now, this is a good deal:
https://www.photrio.com/forum/threa...format-projector-with-150mm-lens-more.145540/

It is not marked as sold, it might still be available ?

 

[guangong]

I use a Leitz Prado 500 for 6x6 and a Linhof 6x7 (also made by Leitz) for 6x7. Have used the Prado for many years and bought the Linhof after purchasing my Fuji GF670 a couple years ago for $100. Both projectors built like the proverbial tank. No automatic anything to go on the fritz so no worries about future repairs or parts. A variety of lenses available, just in case you decide to project in a theatre.

 

[FujiLove]

I use a Leitz Prado 500 for 6x6 and a Linhof 6x7 (also made by Leitz) for 6x7. Have used the Prado for many years and bought the Linhof after purchasing my Fuji GF670 a couple years ago for $100. Both projectors built like the proverbial tank. No automatic anything to go on the fritz so no worries about future repairs or parts. A variety of lenses available, just in case you decide to project in a theatre.

I'd love a 6x7 projector, but they are like finding hen's teeth in the UK. Not to mention the mounts, which are rare second hand and a fortune new. I found a lovely Goetschmann 6x7 projector in a local camera shop a while back, but they wanted almost £1000 for it.

Ultimately I found it cheaper and simpler to ditch the Mamiya 7 and Pentax 67 and buy a Hasselblad and Mamiya 6!

 

[Dennis-B]

I just noticed that Igor's Camera, located in Cleveland, OH, has three Hasselblad projectors in stock, ranging from $1100, to $1350. Don't know if they fit in your price range.
http://www.igorcamera.com/hasselblad_accessories.htm