Wouldn't the Voigtlander Bessa-R (the first one) allegible to enter here?
Why a built in meter?
That's an interesting selection of cameras to pick from. Although the 35 SP can be got for less than $200 these days it is really not in the same class as the others you list. Olympus generally marketed two lines of cameras, professional and consumer (or "economy" as their advertising sometimes described them). The 35 SP was the flagship of the professional line that came out in the late 60's/70's. It is widely considered one of the best rangefinders ever made, combining spot metering, a fully metered manual mode, and a sublime seven element f1.7 lens. It is also a big camera (by Olympus standards) with a long, stiff shutter release due to the trapped needle metering. I find this especially challenging in low light situations as you are never sure the exact point in the release travel where the shutter will fire.
The RC, on the other hand, was part of Olympus' "economy" line from the same period of time. It is also very highly regarded and is perhaps the smallest rangefinder with automatic exposure and manual override ever produced. It is also an absolute joy to use. Although the 1/15s shutter speed may seem limiting, there is a Bulb setting and with a little practice you can easily use this for 1/4s or slower. With negative film there is more than enough leeway for this. Although the SP is a remarkable camera, if I had to pick one as a carry around user, it would be the RC.
As for the other cameras in your list, they all fall into the NO category (Not Olympus). ;-)
Just to make a quick question like I said before. Wouldn't any Voigtlander Bessa L/T - R under 200$/€ beat any of this fixed lens cameras?
"Beat" in which sense? It depends on what do you want from a compact camera... I, for example, would not trade my jewel-like, compact Kodak Retina for the Bessa!
Spec wise with a accurate lightmeter and 2000 max shutter speed. The only downside is the plasticky (but sturdy) back and usually the rf disalignment (usual problems from what I've heard).
Yes there is a fairly short time limit for edits. It is there to stop people from rendering meaningless subsequent responses.EDIT: Is there a time limit to changing a post on this forum? Can I not add the Retina IIIC to the original post?
The reason I haven't added the Bessa R is because I can't readily find a body and a lens in good working condition for under 200$. I want people to be able to refer to this list as a way to get a complete RF setup for under 200$, and while I suppose that is possible by getting Russian copy lenses, that pricing still seems like a stretch to me personally. I'm thinking about making a sequel to this, though, or adding on to it, because there are some canon, nikon, bessa, and rollei options around the 500-600$ price range that start getting closer to the Leica territory.
As far as the Kodak Retina IIIC, I think it's very different from the other cameras I mentioned in the list; different era, vastly different design, different specifications, etc. but I'll add it nonetheless. From the reviews I've read on it, it seems to be a "love it or hate it" kind of camera, but I'll let the reader decide on what they think.
EDIT: Is there a time limit to changing a post on this forum? Can I not add the Retina IIIC to the original post?
All the canon 7's have a light meter, the first madel 7 has a selimiun cell meter, I have one and it is working perfectly, correct to within 1/2 stop when checked against my Sekonic which I use for studio, spot on against any of my westons, also, I can suggest a werra, perhaps a werramatic, you can easily get them for well under £100, another built in meter, selinuim cell, but In have as yet to find one with a bad meter, with meter usable via the viewfinder, and accurate, plus you can get a 35 and 100mm lens for them, also the Vitessa, another sel meter, I have 2 and both accurate,You can get a complete RF setup under that. But - with the russian lens. A better idea would be a Canon P/7/7s. You can get them even with a Canon lens very well under the 200€, and they are sturdy. Downsides is, there is no proper light meter. Only the 7s has a cds light meter.
All the canon 7's have a light meter, the first madel 7 has a selimiun cell meter, I have one and it is working perfectly, correct to within 1/2 stop when checked against my Sekonic which I use for studio, spot on against any of my westons, also, I can suggest a werra, perhaps a werramatic, you can easily get them for well under £100, another built in meter, selinuim cell, but In have as yet to find one with a bad meter, with meter usable via the viewfinder, and accurate, plus you can get a 35 and 100mm lens for them, also the Vitessa, another sel meter, I have 2 and both accurate,
and just as many are still alive,, in fact in my Classic camera collection I only have one dead meter, that is the Contessa folder, and I think that is a connection fault as it does sometimes work, and when it works it is accurate, I have a good few with the selenium meters and all are fine and accurate, I check each one before I take them out and they work fine, so fine indeed that when using the metered cameras I rely on the in built meter, also I have some old canon SLR's with CDS meters and they are both dead, and not the battery's or conections, I have had them checked by our local repair person and I am told they need new cellsI didn't quoted the 7, since it's a selenium meter and many of them are already dead.
The reason I haven't added the Bessa R is because I can't readily find a body and a lens in good working condition for under 200$. I want people to be able to refer to this list as a way to get a complete RF setup for under 200$, and while I suppose that is possible by getting Russian copy lenses, that pricing still seems like a stretch to me personally...
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