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Hi Ian,

The modifications I have seen involve permanent hacking (in the figurative sense; it was actually done so it looks almost factory seamless) to elongate the channels that limit shift to a certain point. One person I know also added extensions to the vertical shift slots that work nicely and blend into the camera's styling well. I would never do it to a nice example, but it's a very harmless mod. Both of these friends were commercial photographers in the 80s and 90s who extended the shifts for architectural use. They are the ones who first opened my eyes to the fact that rear movements are almost 100% unnecessary, and can be replicated using front shift. Before that, I would always angle the rail, then use rear tilts and swings to change convergence; as I had been instructed in school. Now I find it more simple and intuitive to use shifts alone to achieve same. But then again, I don't shoot much architecture so rarely even do that.

Personally, the way I would do front tilt in portrait orientation would be to tilt the whole camera forward the necessary amount, and then change the resulting convergence in printing. Obviously not ideal, as you need more tilt to do it, and you have to do some tweaking compositionally to make it work. However, I can't recall ever needing to use a front tilt in portrait orientation whilst truly in "the field". I have used swings in portrait orientation, however, which you can get on a Crown. I cannot recall a situation out in nature in which I have used more than 5 degrees of tilt or swing.

Looking at my Speed, I see that if you really need this movement, you can hack some more and get it, at the expense of some smoothness and stability of the standard (things that shouldn't affect the pictures at all). The guides that ride the outer edge of the focusing rails need to be ground away. Then the clamping plates themselves need to be cut, with the cut beginning on center to the width of the plates. There will still be enough meat to clamp the rail firmly; it just won't slide in and out as smoothly when you are unpacking/packing the camera. You will probably need to increase the clamping tension using the set screw. This would be removing the outer side from the plate on the side of the camera with the vertical tripod mount, and the inner side of the plate from the side of the camera opposite the vertical tripod mount. You would get a forward tilt, but not a rearward one.

Personally, I would rather just tilt my enlarger. This is a fairly major hacking just for one rarely used movement.

I guess it all depends on what the OP really means by "the field", and on budget. I, perhaps foolishly so, assume that people are on budgets and have no apprehension to modifying cheap equipment to suit their needs. Personally, I say if you are that concerned about lack of movements, and you already have a Sinar, suck it up and put the Sinar in your pack. I have done this more times than I can count. They aren't heavy. They just take longer to set up. Personally, I don't need much in the way of movements when truly in "the field". If "the field" just means going out and shooting something out in the real world outside of your studio, then I have no aversion whatsoever to a monorail camera. If you can't hang, or don't want to, hire strong assistants, AKA having kids. :smile:

I don't believe anybody is paying so much for Crowns. Who are these jokers?

Anyhow, cost and compromise were in mind when giving my response. It's fun to talk about what would be ideal, but not everyone can afford an Ebony, etc. I know I can't, given what I have into Sinar equipment. There is no right or wrong way. I'm just throwing out options.
 
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If you can afford an Ebony you can afford anything. I'm not sure it would be at the top of the list for "light" cameras.

You are right. I posted without going into the cost. Then I checked eBay and was flabbergasted. :smile:

I AM looking for a light camera with reasonable movements, otherwise I shall just stick with my Linhof Technikardan. Speed Graphics and B&J are not suitable for my needs. So, as suggested by another post, Argentum is a possibilty, but the camera is not really light, except for the Architec model, which does not seem too have a lot of movement. As for the Carbon Infinity, only 60 are ever made!

You only live once. Perhaps I shall bite the bullet and get an Ebony after all.

Ka Tai
 

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I wonder if the Shen non-folder is still made. It would be a cheaper option for wide angle users.
 

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... So, as suggested by another post, Argentum is a possibilty, but the camera is not really light, except for the Architec model, which does not seem too have a lot of movement. ...

Excursor I - 0.8 kg
Explorator I - 1.8 kg
Explorator III - 2.2 kg
Architec - 1.3 kg
XL - 0.45 kg

None of these can be said to be "heavy"... The Architec and XL are made for use with very wide lenses. The Excursor has a minimum of movements, but rise/fall and tilt is enough for almost all landscape photography.

BTW, I believe the correct number of Carbon Infinity's ("Infinities"??) is 80. And one of them is mine. :D
 

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Excursor I - 0.8 kg
Explorator I - 1.8 kg
Explorator III - 2.2 kg
Architec - 1.3 kg
XL - 0.45 kg

None of these can be said to be "heavy"... The Architec and XL are made for use with very wide lenses. The Excursor has a minimum of movements, but rise/fall and tilt is enough for almost all landscape photography.

BTW, I believe the correct number of Carbon Infinity's ("Infinities"??) is 80. And one of them is mine. :D


I could not see the data for Argentum except for Explorator III and Archtec. Perhaps because I am using Firefox on my Mac.

Anyway, could you post a photo of the Carbon Infinity so us mere mortals can drool over it?

Ka Tai
 

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Hello,

I need a 4x5 camera for landscapes but i don´t know every possibilities. I have lenses for sinar, but i need less weigth than sinar what is your recommendation? Thank you very much and excuse me for my english,

Ruben

If your Sinar is a "P" model, consider an older "F" model.

They weigh a bit less than the "P", will lay flat after removing the bellows and all of your goodies will fit. The base tilts may make you scream, but ...
 

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I could not see the data for Argentum except for Explorator III and Archtec. Perhaps because I am using Firefox on my Mac.

Anyway, could you post a photo of the Carbon Infinity so us mere mortals can drool over it?

Ka Tai

I'm using Opera on a Vista PC, so I think you should be able to find the same data. But they can be a little tricky to find.

Anyway, this is what a Carbon Infinity looks like. There are much better pictures at http://www.galerie-photo.com/carbon-infinity.html - and it's even the very same camera.
 

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Hello!, Thanks for the information. I decided buy Shen Hao, but i have some cuestion. I,m grateful for your interest:

Are 100% compatible my lenses of sinar with Shen Hao?

What is the diference between Shen Hao HZX 4x5- IIA model and Shen Hao TZ45-IIB model? What is better?

Is it advisable buy the intro-kit? Did someone buy it?

I live in Spain and we don´t have distributor of large format cameras. I need buy in internet. Wich is the best shop for buy?

Than you very much, in Spain there is no large format tradition and your information is very valuable for me. Excuse me for my english!

Regards,

Ruben


www.rmfotografo.com
 

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Ruben, I personally know of 4 people who have bought a Shen Hao camera from Badger Graphic in the USA.

I haven't bought a camera from them, but I was going to, when I found someone who lives not too far away from me with one for sale. He bought that camera, which I now own, from Badger Graphic. The camera he replaced it with, he bought from Badger Graphic.

I myself have bought film from Badger Graphic, along with other things, I will continue to purchase film from them in the future as they are the only place where I can purchase 4x5 FP4+ in 100 sheet boxes, cheapest way to buy it.

Badger Graphic have been very good to ask email questions and get prompt replies.

They are the only store who sell Shen Hao cameras I have dealt with.

I would suggest you show a couple of pictures of your Sinar lenses that you have, others with knowledge of them should be able to advise you of the suitability of them with your Shen Hao camera.

I would also suggest that you purchase lens boards when you purchase the camera.

One possible lens is the Fujinon W 6.3 150 it will travel in the camera when folded if it is reversed, very lightweight. I have one of these and find it excellent.

Mick.
 

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Are 100% compatible my lenses of sinar with Shen Hao?

What is the diference between Shen Hao HZX 4x5- IIA model and Shen Hao TZ45-IIB model? What is better?

Is it advisable buy the intro-kit? Did someone buy it?

I live in Spain and we don´t have distributor of large format cameras. I need buy in internet. Wich is the best shop for buy?

IIRC the TZ is the non-folder. Should be on the shen hao website. So surfing over.

http://www.shen-hao.com/E45.html

And it's not the folder. :surprised: The TFC is the non-folder.

The TZ must be new. What's the price versus the HZX?

What Sinar lenses? In shutters?

Which starter kit? If you've got Sinar lenses you've likely got film holders and a 150mm. Not much point getting a starter get but tell us more :D


There are shops in France and the UK with the Shen hao. But with the weak US$ buying from Badger might be the best idea. Unless you want the non-folder.

Your English is better then my Spanish so don't worry.
 

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I just recently purchase my Shen-Hao HZX 4X5-IIA from Badger Graphic and have been very pleased. They are very prompt and professional. I certainly recommend both the camera and the source. I can't comment on your lens compatibility issue but I can vouche for the camera itself. I ordered a #1 lens board in addition to the #0 that comes with it. Great movements, interchangeable bellows, fairly light, and very economical. I'm currently using a Caltar IIN 210mm 5.6 which is too large to fold up with the camera. Take advantage of our weak dollar.
 

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I'm using Opera on a Vista PC, so I think you should be able to find the same data. But they can be a little tricky to find.

Anyway, this is what a Carbon Infinity looks like. There are much better pictures at http://www.galerie-photo.com/carbon-infinity.html - and it's even the very same camera.

Very drool-worthy!

This must be the Bugatti of view cameras. It even looks racy.

But at US$6500, it is too much of a strain on my pocketbook, and at 3.75Kg, too much of a strain on my poor back.

Ka Tai
 

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Since you are in europe, why don't you by from robert white?: www.robertwhite.co.uk
After you've paid for customs and shipping, I doubt you will have saved a lot if any. Also If anything should happen to it, it will be cheaper to send it to the UK than to the States.
Just a thought.
Best Regards
Mads
 
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