4x5 field camera

[Neil Grant]

.. what to buy (used)? Horseman, Toyo, Wista, other? Lens range that needs accommodation would be 72mm XL (maybe down to 58mm), 180mm (maybe up to 210mm). Intended use would be landscape, architectural and found objects. Clearly with a 72mm XL quite a bit of movement is possible. Maybe I need to consider bag bellows, sunken panel or drop bed. What do you people think best suits my needs? Thanks for your advice?

 

[B.S.Kumar]

Architectural photography is best done with a monorail camera. It is not impossible with a field camera, but there are limitations that disappear with a monorail. A monorail like the Toyo D45M with a short rail can be surprisingly compact and can be carried in a large backpack.

If you must have a field camera:

The 72mm XL lens has a rear diameter of 75mm. Horseman field cameras use 80mm square lens boards, and the throat in the camera body is ~65mm. Using this lens with a Horseman would be impossible.

The Toyo can be used, but without a wide angle bellows, movements with a 72mm or 58mm lens will be difficult.

Your best bet among these three cameras is a Wista SP or VX. Both camera can be used with two kinds of wide angle bellows. Wista also makes a special lens board that allows far easier control of shutter operations. It must be used with the Type II bellows.

I have a Wista VX and Type II wide angle bellows listed here: https://www.photrio.com/forum/threa...ield-camera-wide-angle-bellows-type-ii.213442

Kumar

 

[abruzzi]

there are several "field monorais." I'd look at the Linhof Technikardan, or the Toyo VX125. I can't vouch for the Toyo, but I've heard a lot of positive things about it. The TK45 or TK45S are great cameras, and highly flexible.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

I would consider a field camera with a back that slides toward the lens, to better accommodate the 72mm. That is one of the main reasons I purchased a Canham, all those years ago.

 

[John Wiegerink]

Things get real tricky when you start mixing folding field 4X5 cameras with wide angle lenses. If you stay in the 90mm wide angle range you're usually just fine. For mine I have the 90mm Schneider Angulon and Super Angulon along with a 100mm Wide-Field Ektar. When you start going wider you're talking "bag bellows", recessed boards, shutter release extensions and cameras with sliding or moveable backs like Andy has with his Canham. I can get by just fine with my 100mm Wide-Field Ektar or 90mm Schneider Angulon. Would it be nice to go wider? Yup, but the hassle for me ain't worth it. Of course if I had a lovely 72mm XL lens laying around I might just feel a little different about this.

 

[Dan Fromm]

Hmm. Landscape, architecture, found objects.

With all due respect to more accomplished LF photographers, OP, what you really need for the subjects you have in mind is front rise and, ideally, rear fall. These movements are used to move the horizon up and down, usually to lower it to eliminate empty foreground. They'e also used avoid tilting the camera to include the tops of, e.g., buildings. Tilting the camera makes vertical lines converge.

And you want to use wide angle lenses, perhaps as wide as 58 mm.

As has already been pointed out, a monorail will do everything you think you want. Failing that, a field/technical camera that has a drop bed and that will allow easy focusing when the front standard is on the inner bed rails.

An inexpensive alternative that will get you started is the humble 4x5 Crown Graphic. Not ideal, but very friendly to short lenses. Minimum flange-to-film distance is 52.4 mm, the bed drops and inner and outer bed rails are linked, making for easy focusing with very short lenses. I don't know how much front rise 4x5ers have, my 2x3ers have 19 mm. No bag bellows, no recessed board (but, then, not needed).

Since you've been on APUG, sorry, Photrio, for nearly 20 years, you might be aware of "the list." If you're not, please ask.

And now for the insulting part. This forum is infested with experienced photographers who are eager to help. Few of us know everything; most of us recommend what we use and like, can't recommend what we're not acquainted with. We all have biases that we have trouble seeing beyond. "The list" has info on more cameras and lenses than most of us have used. Consult it.

Thinking of biases, I'm biased against using very wide angle lenses for landscape work. Shoot a broad vista with a w/a lens and you'll get a frame full of foreground, often uninteresting. Before shelling out for an expensive ultrawide, try a relatively inexpensive shorter w/a, e.g., a 90/8.

 

[xkaes]

Things get real tricky when you start mixing folding field 4X5 cameras with wide angle lenses.

Seems like it depends on the camera. I've been using a 65mm on my Toko 4x5 for years without any problem -- and without a recessed board. There are other field cameras that can do the same.