220 film dimensions/specification (ISO732)

MattKing

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I did say "the film part" as in the film is double the length not the film + leader/tail.

Nope.

The film itself is slightly shorter than twice the length of the 120, because the small bit of film before the image area (film leader?) and the small bit of film after the image area (film tail?) doesn't need to be duplicated - one of each per roll is enough.
 

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I concede, I guess I was just thinking if you are hand rolling there is also a margin of error that is higher so give a little extra, ah well, either way I think it's silky haha


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So... anyone have a copy of ISO732? With, like, numbers in it?

How about if we trade? I'll send you a roll of Provia VC 220 and you send me something B&W then you don't need a book of numbers


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Thanks Stone but I was not intending to pay $75 (the CHF being very close to $1 now). Given that I'm in AU, separate shipping to/from NYC is a bit silly; I'd just add one to my next B&H order if I get that far.

I'll probably just wait and hope to find a deal on a proper Mamiya 70mm back.
 

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Good luck! As I said I'm ALMOST done with 70mm, but not quite

I'm shocked that no one has a PSF version they would give a copy out about this stuff.


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PDF* silly auto correct...


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I know this is an old thread. But have been looking for this and found https://vdocuments.mx/download/bs-en-iso-732-2000 so I am just adding a note for my future me looking for this again.

yes, an old thread which was refreshed, no surprise, as there's still quite come gear around with 220 capabilities.

Like former comment I am very shocked the dimensions of a couple pieces of paper are not freely available just because a strong interpretation of the ISO legalities. Common sense should apply here.

I needed to know these dimensions because I use very often Bronica-S2 these days, and the backs have the 120/220 switch, so I felt it's silly I couldn't use it. Most of the time I am good with 12 frames per roll, but some other times,specially when I travel to some place first time I shot a lot of roll of same kind of film and it would be convenient to do 24 frames per roll, also less rolls in the bag. To make 220 rolls with 120 ones is easy, with just the possible annoyance of one frame lost in the middle (where a piece of tape does hold the two) and/or the need to trick the camera in order to shot if room enough an additional 25th frame to compensate the loss of one in the middle. But then even with 23 frames per roll instead of 24, it could be convenient.

Anyway, I hope I will not end like Assange or Snowden, these are the two pages of the ISO booklet with the 220 dimensions.
In short leader 552mm and trailer 373mm, with of course some tolerance:





the whole 17-pages booklet (2000 edition):
https://yadi.sk/i/utzG7YCg3zzEnQ
 

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The Shanghai GP3 folks are apparently making 220 film spools again-- It's basically the leader/trailer from a 120 backing strip taped onto a double-length run of 120 film.

https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/look-what-the-cat-dragged-in.178967/

which is nice, yet the films I use mostly (Fomapan, some "Rollei/Maco", Adox, Ilford and color ones come only in 120.
I use this helping guide, made of cheap thick cardboard (taken from frist price pictures frames) in order to stitch with tape two 120 rolls, a leader and trailer cut from 120 paper, together.
As mentioned the problem is that one frame is lost (the one where the tape is put), so I am playing with my Bronica in order to see if I can have an extra frame at the end of the film (25 instead of 24, one lost, so 24 effective).
Takes me between 5mn and 10 mn to spool a 220 roll like this.


on the picture the leader is inserted, ready with a piece of tape, in order to receive the first roll, then roll it loosely (spool on the left of the trailer), feed the 2nd roll, tape, roll further until the end, feed the trailer (the piece top right) with also a piece of tape ready, then remove the whole from the cardboard guide and roll it on the second spool. Emulsion is up and gets only in contact with the two transversal pieces of cardboard, so to avoid scratches. The tape on the gaffer piece top right is used to stitch the two stripes. At development time, either use a Paterson tank, spirals take 220 film, or remove the tape and feed two metal spirals or whatever:

 
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i) A 220 sized rollfilm basically consists of three parts:
- a paper leader (of 120 paper sized width - x) and having length 'A'; followed by
- a length of film emulsion (of 120 film sized width - y) and having length 'B'; followed by
- a paper trailer (of 120 paper sized width - x) and having length 'C';
ii) The rollfilm is wound, during manufacture, onto a normal 120 sized spool in the order trailer - film - leader.
iii) One end of the length of film is adhered to the end of the paper leader and the other end of the length of film is adhered to the start of the paper trailer; this is usually accomplished by using a suitable length of adhesive tape; at both its ends, the film should overlap the paper leader/trailer by a few millimeters and be afixed to the inside radius of curvature of the paper so you have in effect a three layered sandwich over the short length where the film is fixed to the paper consisting of paper, film and tape as we go from the outside of the wound reel to the inside. The adhesive tape need not span the whole width of the paper leader but should have a width that is sufficient to ensure that the joint does not tear apart during the film winding operation. The non film ends of the leader/trailer papers may be shaped into tongues in order to engage with the slots in the reels.
iv) The film should be taped to leader/trailer papers such that it is centred and all lengthwise edges are parallel; as this has to be done in total darkness, some practice may be necessary - but it is not difficult.
v) Typical lengths are:
- 'A' 21 inches
- 'B' 60 inches
- 'C' 13 inches
- y 60.5 millimeteres
- x 61.5 millimetres
These lengths do exhibit some variations especially 'A', 'B' and 'C' but they work for me on Hasselblad A24/A32 backs. You may wish to experiment to determine what is best for your setup.
vi) In addition, there is the need for a "start mark" which is to be put on the outer surface of the leader paper; this usually consists of a thick line across the width of the leader paper; it should be positioned about 7.5 inches from the start of the film. This is used to align the film to film advance/counting mechanism in your film magazine.
vii) You can prepare, trailer and leader papers in daylight but clearly the taping of film and the winding onto the spool must be done in total darkness. That is basically it. I would strongly recommend you to acquire then sacrifice a 220 roll film and to take it apart; the above would then become clearer in your mind and you could practice remaking the film in daylight and then with a blindfold possibly before you start rolling your own.


If you start with 70mm roll film you will see from the above that it is too wide - you need a film strip of width 60.5mm so you must remove a strip of about 9mm along one whole length of your 220 film strip to be; alternately, you could remove about 4.5mm from along both whole lengths of your 220 film strip to be. If you are starting from unperforated 70mm stock, the former would be sufficient; if your 70mm stock is perforated, then the latter is more elegant but you will still probably have some residual traces of perforation along the length of your 220 strip.
That is why unperforated film is more suitable for this job; of course you could remove the 9mm strip along one length of the 70mm strip and take the remaining perforations on the other length into account when photographing - these perforations might encroach into your image area.

You need to remove the excess film using a film slitter which can be bought over the web for about 30 US dollars.

Since the actual image area is typically 56mm by 56mm, there is scope to make your 220 film strip even narrower; this however may lead to further problems such as difficulty in centering the film strip relative to the trailer/leader backing papers and the fact that your strip may now be too narrow to be able to be held securely in a typical developing tank reel.

Is it practical? Yes of course it is; when you have rolled a few of your own, you will become proficient and enjoy the benefits of shooting longer rolls of film (if that is what you want to do).

Is it cost effective? That is impossible to answer because there is no longer any commercially produced 220 b/w film available with which to make a comparison. It has to be a subjective decision on your part. Personallly it is right for me and I have been doing it for years. Before this year's ULF run, I cut my own backing paper from 50 foot long, 25 inch wide rolls. I no longer have to do this and if Ilford were to offer in the future long rolls of standard 120 sized film (which they must have anyway) then the process becomes even easier.

Hope this helps,

Richard Hughes.
 
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