1st Experience Shanghai 100 in 127 not good

[Kino]

Just "finished" a brand new roll of Shangahi 100 in my Yashica 44 and it was pretty much a disaster from start to finish.

The roll jammed on the first exposure, so I took it to the darkroom and found the tape that was attaching the film was all bunched-up, so I did my best to detach it and smooth out where it attaches to the backing paper.

I then went out and shot 7 exposures, with 2 of them being blank due to my being unfamiliar with the advance system of the 44. That was my fault, but the camera jammed again on the 8th exposure, so back to the darkroom and totally unspooling the film and reattaching the film to the backing paper once again.

By now, I am sure it's all scratched or marked-up, but I was determined to shoot the roll.

I reloaded the film, advanced beyond frame 8 and shot 2 more frames before it jammed again.

Guess I'll stop there and try to process this roll, but I don't get any warm fuzzies when looking at the other 9 rolls I have left to go...

 

[Kino]

It appears that the paper tape that is supposed to tape down the end of the backing paper shed it's adhesive protection strips (its not a water activated glue, but like a bandaid) and they had been balled-up on the end of the backing paper.

This appears to have caused the camera to jam the last time when the loose adhesive strips jammed between the film and the pressure plate.

Ugh...

 

[AnselMortensen]

Bummer.
It sounds like the tape and 'taping procedure' are the Achilles Heel of the Shanghai 127 and 220 offerings.
127 users might need to do a proactive tape inspection/replacement to avoid issues like the one you had.

 

[Kino]

Bummer.
It sounds like the tape and 'taping procedure' are the Achilles Heel of the Shanghai 127 and 220 offerings.
127 users might need to do a proactive tape inspection/replacement to avoid issues like the one you had.

Yes, that's what I plan on doing for the remaining rolls.

It's an expensive way to obtain backing paper and spools if nothing else...

 

[RalphLambrecht]

Bummer.
It sounds like the tape and 'taping procedure' are the Achilles Heel of the Shanghai 127 and 220 offerings.
127 users might need to do a proactive tape inspection/replacement to avoid issues like the one you had.

maybe it pays off to buy Ilford?

 

[Kino]

maybe it pays off to buy Ilford?

The minimum ULF order for 46mm film is multiples of 23 x 50 foot rolls of HP5.

I just don't have that spare change laying around...

 

[blee1996]

Rerapan 100 in 127 is lovely, and about the same price as Shanghai. B&H stocks them, and I buy regularly.

 

[BAC1967]

The minimum ULF order for 46mm film is multiples of 23 x 50 foot rolls of HP5.

I just don't have that spare change laying around...

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Retailers that participate in the ULF sale will sell individual 50’ rolls. I’ve gotten mine from Blue Moon.

 

[Kino]

Rerapan 100 in 127 is lovely, and about the same price as Shanghai. B&H stocks them, and I buy regularly.

Thanks, I might give that a try after this plays out.

Retailers that participate in the ULF sale will sell individual 50’ rolls. I’ve gotten mine from Blue Moon.

Thanks for that as well. I will check into it.

 

[Donald Qualls]

Rerapan 100 in 127 is lovely,

I'll confirm that -- I really need to try some in a decent camera (do I have any of those in 127?).

 

[Kino]

My fears were well founded! Yuck.

After processing it, I found "frilling" along one edge of the film and some fogging along both edges, as well as a nick torn into the backing paper about halfway into the roll. There also appears to be grain clumping or dirt in the image, although I can't see it on the reflected surface of the emulsion or the base.

To be fair, my multiple attempts at getting the roll through the camera might have introduced any or all of the above defects. Only another roll (hopefully without all the gymnastics) will tell.

I processed this in my Jobo in a 2500 series tank using D76 1:1 and there appears to be a density streak in what few images I could salvage. I will return to hand processing in a Patterson tank for the next roll to minimize the possibility of machine induced currents.

These scans were on my Epson 750 with the negs taped to the surface of the platen glass; Another hurdle to address in the future.

Not a good start, but a start...

 

[Jeremy Mudd]

Just "finished" a brand new roll of Shangahi 100 in my Yashica 44 and it was pretty much a disaster from start to finish.

The roll jammed on the first exposure, so I took it to the darkroom and found the tape that was attaching the film was all bunched-up, so I did my best to detach it and smooth out where it attaches to the backing paper.

I then went out and shot 7 exposures, with 2 of them being blank due to my being unfamiliar with the advance system of the 44. That was my fault, but the camera jammed again on the 8th exposure, so back to the darkroom and totally unspooling the film and reattaching the film to the backing paper once again.

By now, I am sure it's all scratched or marked-up, but I was determined to shoot the roll.

I reloaded the film, advanced beyond frame 8 and shot 2 more frames before it jammed again.

Guess I'll stop there and try to process this roll, but I don't get any warm fuzzies when looking at the other 9 rolls I have left to go...

I've shot 3 rolls of the Shanghai 127 in my Yashica 44 and have been lucky in regards to results and no camera jams. That said, all of the rolls I purchased in that first batch have the backing paper on backwards so that the end is at the start and the start is at the end. I still have 7 more rolls of it to shoot but hopefully should be OK.

The Rerapan 100 and 400 from B&H is nice. The #'s on the backing paper are also very black and easy to see in the red window.

I also own a Baby Rollei and probably will NOT run any of the Shanghai thru it. The Baby is very picky about film width and also a little more prone to jams, so I'll leave the Shanghai for my Yashica 44 and my other 127 cameras like the Hawkeye Holiday Flash.

Jeremy

 

[Sonynolta User]

Probably the best thing about Shanghai film is you get a reel and backing paper to use with your own film. My results have looked like the film was produced in a sandpaper factory.