1959: the year that the press cameras became dethroned, defunct, defunded

[mmerig]

Just a thought -- I wonder if some photo journalists preferred the sheet-film or roll-film cameras because the number of frames per batch was more convenient and what they were used to. A roll of 20 or 36 frames may have been hard to finish for short jobs without a sense of wasting film.

 

[Alan Gales]

You say that-- but in 2001, a friend of mine was hosting a foreign exchange student from Europe. When the 9/11 attacks happened, her parents called, and one of the things they asked was whether we could see the smoke from the twin towers.

They were somewhat disconcerted when they were told we were nearly a thousand miles away.

A close friend of mine went on vacation to Australia and New Zealand back in the 1980's. On the last leg of his flights he was coming from Los Angeles to St. Louis. He struck up a conversation with a girl born in L.A. who had just completed college and heading to St. Louis for her first job. She asked about things to see in St. Louis. He told her about the St. Louis Zoo, Botanical Gardens, Cardinals and Blues sports teams, Italian food on the Hill and a bunch of other things. He then said, "Oh, I forgot to mention the Arch!". She asked him what the Gateway Arch was having never heard of it.

For people in other countries who have never heard of the Gateway Arch.

https://www.gatewayarch.com

 

[Cholentpot]

A close friend of mine went on vacation to Australia and New Zealand back in the 1980's. On the last leg of his flights he was coming from Los Angeles to St. Louis. He struck up a conversation with a girl born in L.A. who had just completed college and heading to St. Louis for her first job. She asked about things to see in St. Louis. He told her about the St. Louis Zoo, Botanical Gardens, Cardinals and Blues sports teams, Italian food on the Hill and a bunch of other things. He then said, "Oh, I forgot to mention the Arch!". She asked him what the Gateway Arch was having never heard of it.

For people in other countries who have never heard of the Gateway Arch.

https://www.gatewayarch.com

I know a Parisian who mumbled something about a tower that is rumored to be in his hometown. He's never seen it.

 

[MattKing]

When I worked for Canada Customs in the 1980s at the Peace Arch border crossing - North of Seattle Washington, and south of Vancouver British Columbia - every once in a while we would have someone arrive from the south who thought they would come up to the border and drive to Alaska for the day.

Even if they weren't particularly knowledgeable about Canada, most of the US residents we dealt with were good to deal with.
Even the ones we had to send back because of their guns.

 

[foc]

who thought they would come up to the border and drive to Alaska for the day.

But Matt.... it doesn't look that far on the map !!!

 

[Oddscy]

Germany, due to it’s size, tech industry, economic level, reputation for rationality and rigorousness, central placement etc. has had “luck” in being able to be the technological and human factors/ergonomics standard setter, where other big countries that might be said to have the same technological level like England and France has not to the same degree.

Remember when all desktop computers in the world was beige?
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hi im sorry this isnt related to the topic at all but i cant seem to find the option to create a post. any help is appreciated thanks in advance and sorry

 

[guangong]

Not only did the Korean War contribute to the demise of the press camera, it also contributed to the demise of the German camera industry. In order to meet military demand for cameras, Japanese camera manufacturers had access to all German camera patents and were able to cherrypick patents. Apparently, German manufactures still recognized patents in Germany, so that each camera maker was limited to their own research and development. This is my understanding of the situation, but if anyone knows better, does hesitate to reply.

 

[MontanaJay]

I began working in newspapers in the early 1970s when the conversion to 35 mm was complete, but 4x5 artifacts were still around in the darkroom.
Old timers told me that in the 1940s, most news photographers were built like linebackers -- both to carry all the Speed Graphic gear and to barge through crowds to get The Shot.
Leica, and later Nikon, had the robust construction needed to survive the abuse of combat photography and news photographers followed their lead. Tri-X had the speed to avoid flash photography, which was going out of style.
Lastly, photo editors preferred a proof sheet with 36 images (or more) to choose from, rather than a handful of 4x5 shots.

 

[David Lyga]

When I worked for Canada Customs in the 1980s at the Peace Arch border crossing - North of Seattle Washington, and south of Vancouver British Columbia - every once in a while we would have someone arrive from the south who thought they would come up to the border and drive to Alaska for the day.

Even if they weren't particularly knowledgeable about Canada, most of the US residents we dealt with were good to deal with.
Even the ones we had to send back because of their guns.

I have to say this MATT, even though it pre-dates your association with Canadian Customs. Back in 1972 Greyhound Bus was offering an unlimited pass to go anywhere in the US or Canada. I went from New York to Los Angeles, then up to San Francisco, then up to Vancouver BC. The only 'ugly' time I had ever had with Canadian Customs was in going from Seattle to Canada. I was dressed in decent clothes and was well groomed. The (rather young) Canadian Customs Guard took a look at me, smirked, then demanded that I follow him into a private room. He seemed to be taking private delight in attempting to intimidate me, but I knew that, mentally, I was above him and went along with his banter. He demanded to know whether I could 'support my stay in Canada' (again, I was decently clothed and groomed well). I tossed my booklet of Amex Travelers Cheques onto the table and he did not even bother to open the booklet, but simply let me go on my way.

Since he was so young (dark hair and rather tall, about my height of 6 feet), perhaps you actually worked with him a few years later. The situation was not really so terrible, but, to this day, I wonder what it was that piqued his curiosity and whether 'bad entry' was really utmost in his mind. To this day, I swear that he was a 'closet case' and liked the "aggressive" role of having the pleasure of being the 'Alpha intimidator'. I left, but not without holding a bit of sympathy for this handsome man who had played the wrong part with David Lyga. - David Lyga

 

[Helge]

hi im sorry this isnt related to the topic at all but i cant seem to find the option to create a post. any help is appreciated thanks in advance and sorry

You seem to have managed fine? If you mean a PM (personal message) then click the persons name and the option will appear.

 

[Oddscy]

You seem to have managed fine? If you mean a PM (personal message) then click the persons name and the option will appear.

yea thanks another user helped me out )

 

[markjwyatt]

When I worked for Canada Customs in the 1980s at the Peace Arch border crossing - North of Seattle Washington, and south of Vancouver British Columbia - ...Even if they weren't particularly knowledgeable about Canada, most of the US residents we dealt with were good to deal with.
Even the ones we had to send back because of their guns.

You guys are pretty suspicious. I needed to go to Abbotsford around 2005/6-ish. I flew to Seattle, rented a car, and thought (having studied maps before leaving)- hey there is a crossing there, why go through the main crossing N. of Seattle? I was really grilled by the crossing guard. It was like he had a hard time understanding why I would cross there. I ended up having to open my trunk, and finding no weapons (which he did inquire about), he finally bid me farewell.

 

[Jim Jones]

A belated response to the transition from press cameras to 35mm: the Korean War introduced Japanese 35mm rangefinder cameras and their lenses to combat photographers . The photographic magazines of the time publicised this, and gave Nikon, Canon, and a few others a boost. We who were servicemen safely stationed in Japan at the time also bought Japanese equipment to bring home. Many PXs, even small ones, had a good variety. I don't remember any SLRs there at that time.

On a different note: 35mm camera systems date back to the 1930s. Certainly Leica had accessories for macro- and micro-photography. Their "spiderlegs" macro-photography system seems much better suited for spies than the often mentioned smaller Minox. Their mirror housing enabled tele-photography.

 

[Sirius Glass]

But Matt.... it doesn't look that far on the map !!!

Only a few inches on the screen.

 

[MattKing]

I have to say this MATT, even though it pre-dates your association with Canadian Customs. Back in 1972 Greyhound Bus was offering an unlimited pass to go anywhere in the US or Canada. I went from New York to Los Angeles, then up to San Francisco, then up to Vancouver BC. The only 'ugly' time I had ever had with Canadian Customs was in going from Seattle to Canada. I was dressed in decent clothes and was well groomed. The (rather young) Canadian Customs Guard took a look at me, smirked, then demanded that I follow him into a private room. He seemed to be taking private delight in attempting to intimidate me, but I knew that, mentally, I was above him and went along with his banter. He demanded to know whether I could 'support my stay in Canada' (again, I was decently clothed and groomed well). I tossed my booklet of Amex Travelers Cheques onto the table and he did not even bother to open the booklet, but simply let me go on my way.

Canada Immigration often has problems with people who arrive on their own and on the bus, because a fairly high proportion end up getting stranded in Canada. And the Canada Customs officers at the entry point are also designated immigration officers
If it makes you feel any better David, I would have been more polite (in the 1980s) but I would probably have made similar enquiries.
It was your mode of transport that attracted attention.
Ironically, if you had looked more like a student and were going to visit your aunt and uncle, you might not have attracted as much attention.

 

[MattKing]

You guys are pretty suspicious. I needed to go to Abbotsford around 2005/6-ish. I flew to Seattle, rented a car, and thought (having studied maps before leaving)- hey there is a crossing there, why go through the main crossing N. of Seattle? I was really grilled by the crossing guard. It was like he had a hard time understanding why I would cross there. I ended up having to open my trunk, and finding no weapons (which he did inquire about), he finally bid me farewell.

Pre-Covid, we used to travel reasonably regularly down to Seattle and destinations in between - mostly day trips.
Trust me - you haven't seen suspicious until you have been questioned by US Customs!
In general though, I'd say suspicion goes with the job. And California residents in a rental car travelling through a port that isn't the most direct route would be likely to attract attention.
During our trips, we make it a practice to listen to the Canadian AM radio station that broadcasts border lineup reports regularly about the four main crossings close to Vancouver. We have crossed at Abbotsford before, even though it is the farthest from our home, because the reported lineup was the shortest. We tend to get questioned about that too, but the border report answer is usually enough.

 

[AgX]

In order to meet military demand for cameras, Japanese camera manufacturers had access to all German camera patents and were able to cherrypick patents. Apparently, German manufactures still recognized patents in Germany, so that each camera maker was limited to their own research and development. This is my understanding of the situation, but if anyone knows better, does hesitate to reply.

This is how the story is always told... buit it does not make any sence, nor did I find any proof of this.
With the unconditional surrender of Germany the victorious Allies took all german patents as reperation. Thus to their own benefit. The exact way it was handled may have differed, at least in some cases the patents were sold. Anyway, to give this prey to your major enemy Japan makes no sense at all. With the political change during the postwar years however this may have changed with the intent of building a economical strong Japan as bulwark against communism.

 

[David Lyga]

Canada Immigration often has problems with people who arrive on their own and on the bus, because a fairly high proportion end up getting stranded in Canada. And the Canada Customs officers at the entry point are also designated immigration officers
If it makes you feel any better David, I would have been more polite (in the 1980s) but I would probably have made similar enquiries.
It was your mode of transport that attracted attention.
Ironically, if you had looked more like a student and were going to visit your aunt and uncle, you might not have attracted as much attention.

Well, at least I got that straightened out. Thanks Matt.

 

[David Lyga]

Pre-Covid, we used to travel reasonably regularly down to Seattle and destinations in between - mostly day trips.
Trust me - you haven't seen suspicious until you have been questioned by US Customs!
In general though, I'd say suspicion goes with the job. And California residents in a rental car travelling through a port that isn't the most direct route would be likely to attract attention.
During our trips, we make it a practice to listen to the Canadian AM radio station that broadcasts border lineup reports regularly about the four main crossings close to Vancouver. We have crossed at Abbotsford before, even though it is the farthest from our home, because the reported lineup was the shortest. We tend to get questioned about that too, but the border report answer is usually enough.

I have heard from more than one Canadian about US border patrol. Even I am afraid of these egomaniacs. - David Lyga

 

[David Lyga]

This is how the story is always told... buit it does not make any sence, nor did I find any proof of this.
With the unconditional surrender of Germany the victorious Allies took all german patents as reperation. Thus to their own benefit. The exact way it was handled may have differed, at least in some cases the patents were sold. Anyway, to give this prey to your major enemy Japan makes no sense at all. With the political change during the postwar years however this may have changed with the intent of building a economical strong Japan as bulwark against communism.

That is the whole sorry story of US hegemony. We may not lust after land, but we lust after property, politics, and pecuniary methods. Foreigners who criticize the USA are people who I usually lend full support to. After WWII (after Eisenhower killed a lot of Germans in HIS concentration camps, and also Germans in Nazi concentration camps by destroying, through bombing, the ability for the Germans to supply those camps) we made sure we acquired the best Nazi scientists and the best of everything else.

And anyone who does not like what I just said is either ignorant of the matter or a liar. We, and we alone, decided who would succeed. - David Lyga

 

[Cholentpot]

That is the whole sorry story of US hegemony. We may not lust after land, but we lust after property, politics, and pecuniary methods. Foreigners who criticize the USA are people who I usually lend full support to. After WWII (after Eisenhower killed a lot of Germans in HIS concentration camps, and also Germans in Nazi concentration camps by destroying, through bombing, the ability for the Germans to supply those camps) we made sure we acquired the best Nazi scientists and the best of everything else.

And anyone who does not like what I just said is either ignorant of the matter or a liar. We, and we alone, decided who would succeed. - David Lyga

I love my country, and I am also not naive to think everything is perfect.

The USA does what it has to do to stay ahead. The world itself likes to paint a picture of moral and just judgement while the USA stands alone bumbling along. Remember, since bumbling ignorant USA put its clumsy foot down in Europe there has not been a major war on that continent.

Pax Americana. War is bad for business.

 

[Les Sarile]

And anyone who does not like what I just said is either ignorant of the matter or a liar. We, and we alone, decided who would succeed. - David Lyga

So it isn't enough that you may disagree with someone, they now have to be ignorant or a liar. Is that because you know above all or the only truth teller?

 

[David Lyga]

So it isn't enough that you may disagree with someone, they now have to be ignorant or a liar. Is that because you know above all or the only truth teller?

I am not going to flame here.

Let me say simply that I am UNABLE to come to a conclusion other than what I have said. However, I always allow myself to be educated, thus, potentially, have my opinion changed. But, so far, it has not been changed. Try like I might, (and it would make existing a whole lot easier) I cannot divorce myself from what I see as the truth ... a truth without window shades. - David Lyga

 

[Les Sarile]

I am not going to flame here.
Try like I might, (and it would make existing a whole lot easier) . . .

No doubt you were headed in that direction a few threads earlier. Hope you find guidance and/or peace.

 

[David Lyga]

No doubt you were headed in that direction a few threads earlier. Hope you find guidance and/or peace.

Thank you, Les, and I do appreciate you calling me on something. Goals should not be met with defeating someone in an ad hominem manner, but, rather, with defeating misconceptions. - David Lyga