100 ft rolls of Silver Gelatin Paper

Carnie Bob · Nov 10, 2023

Hello out there

I am trying to purchase Ilford Warmtone Glossy in 100ft rolls not 32ft rolls, either 30 inch , 40 inch or 42inch width.

Right now I am stumped with my suppliers , Ilford only makes 100ft rolls in 50 inch and 56 inch .. I can only see 42 inch roll in 32 ft lengths and I find this way of packaging produces very curly paper when at the
printing stages even with good humidification.

So I am wondering if anyone has seen this problem , or can you recommend a longer length roll that will give me good results . thanks Bob

Rick A · Nov 10, 2023

I think you'll have similar issue with longer rolls, though probably not as severe at first. Maybe get a spare tube and reverse roll the paper then let it rest for a bit before use or pre cut the sizes you want and stack them in a dark bag under a weight. Just a thought.

koraks · Nov 10, 2023

Moved to present forum from the emulsion making section.

xkaes · Nov 10, 2023

It's nice to know that mural paper is still available, even though I don't need it. I have and have used various mural paper -- B&W and COLOR -- in various widths and lengths, and all resin-coated. I've never found one to be less curly than another. The only solution I've found to curling is to use a lot of masking tape to keep it in place. It helps if you have an assistant -- which I have never had, and my eight foot easel hangs from the ceiling.

The GOOD news is that the curling makes processing in HALF-PIPES really easy.

MattKing · Nov 10, 2023

Could you split a 100 foot roll into two 50 foot rolls or three 33 1/3 foot rolls?
I know this would mean unrolling and re-rolling.

Carnie Bob · Nov 11, 2023

Ok I have pretty much came to the following plan... purchase 56inch x 100ft Ilford Warmtone Glossy, then in safelight cut 16 inches off roll with bandsaw, then cut each roll down to fit in paper safes or boxes.
I am now looking for 30inch x 40 inch paper safe if anyone is aware of one or two available.

Mike Crawford · Nov 11, 2023

Carnie Bob said:
Ok I have pretty much came to the following plan... purchase 56inch x 100ft Ilford Warmtone Glossy, then in safelight cut 16 inches off roll with bandsaw, then cut each roll down to fit in paper safes or boxes.
I am now looking for 30inch x 40 inch paper safe if anyone is aware of one or two available.

Hi Bob. Have you approached Harman to see if they can supply in longer lengths? I know they have done special sizes in the UK for some shops and labs. WT is such an incredibly expensive paper, it's a shame to saw off so much, though hopefully can be cut down and used otherwise.

Keith Tapscott. · Nov 12, 2023

I didn't realise that papers of this size were available. I'm guessing that this is for clients who use ultra large format cameras.
Not a helpful post I know, but I'm curious what size of prints your clients request

eli griggs · Nov 12, 2023

Carnie Bob said:
Ok I have pretty much came to the following plan... purchase 56inch x 100ft Ilford Warmtone Glossy, then in safelight cut 16 inches off roll with bandsaw, then cut each roll down to fit in paper safes or boxes.
I am now looking for 30inch x 40 inch paper safe if anyone is aware of one or two available.

Have you queried Ilford to see if they can make the cut?

BMbikerider · Nov 12, 2023

Have you considered the actual physical weight of a 100' x 30" roll of paper. When it was available I used to buy rolls approximately 100' x 12" Kodak RA4 paper and even that was a bit of a handful to deal with when cutting individual sheets. I would think it would take at least 2 people to handle it before cutting or some sort of mechanical assistance.
I am not saying that it is impossible but just another aspect to think of.

koraks · Nov 12, 2023

BMbikerider said:
Have you considered the actual physical weight of a 100' x 30" roll of paper. When it was available I used to buy rolls approximately 100' x 12" Kodak RA4 paper and even that was a bit of a handful to deal with when cutting individual sheets. I would think it would take at least 2 people to handle it before cutting or some sort of mechanical assistance.
I am not saying that it is impossible but just another aspect to think of.

I have a feeling Bob is very well aware of this. He's also got one or two assistants working with him.

Daniela · Nov 12, 2023

Keith Tapscott. said:
I didn't realise that papers of this size were available. I'm guessing that this is for clients who use ultra large format cameras.
Not a helpful post I know, but I'm curious what size of prints your clients request

Just this week, I saw the work of a photographer who used huge pieces of paper to do photograms of, among other things, people! Very cool results.

Ian Grant · Nov 12, 2023

Bob, why don't you contact Ilford, as they are prepared to cut two of the other Warmtone Glossy roll widths and lengths to order, so they may be prepared to offer you what you need.

They do offer other papers made to order in 42" x 98ft rolls, so there is no logistical reason why they could not do the same for Warmtone Glossy.

Ian

Carnie Bob · Nov 12, 2023

Keith Tapscott. said:
I didn't realise that papers of this size were available. I'm guessing that this is for clients who use ultra large format cameras.
Not a helpful post I know, but I'm curious what size of prints your clients request

30 x 40 silver gelatin

Carnie Bob · Nov 12, 2023

Ian Grant said:
Bob, why don't you contact Ilford, as they are prepared to cut two of the other Warmtone Glossy roll widths and lengths to order, so they may be prepared to offer you what you need.

They do offer other papers made to order in 42" x 98ft rolls, so there is no logistical reason why they could not do the same for Warmtone Glossy.

Ian

I have talked with the distributer in Canada and B&H both cannot get it... but if I cut myself from 56 inch x 100ft roll I get a roll of 16 inch x 100ft , or if I cut down to 30 inch I end up with 26 inch x 100ft which I could use. I am placing an order for 2 rolls of 56 inch , I just need to confirm with old rolls here the way I am going to saw off the short end. I also need 30 x 40 paper safe if anyone has a link or know of one available for purchase.

MattKing · Nov 12, 2023

Carnie Bob said:
30 x 40 silver gelatin

Bob is, of course, speaking in inches, not centimetres here .
My friends and I need to get the rest of that 98' x 30" roll of MGIV RC we share cut down into sheet size.

MattKing · Nov 12, 2023

Carnie Bob said:
I have talked with the distributer in Canada and B&H both cannot get it... but if I cut myself from 56 inch x 100ft roll I get a roll of 16 inch x 100ft , or if I cut down to 30 inch I end up with 26 inch x 100ft which I could use. I am placing an order for 2 rolls of 56 inch , I just need to confirm with old rolls here the way I am going to saw off the short end. I also need 30 x 40 paper safe if anyone has a link or know of one available for purchase.

You might consider contacting Harman directly - either using their Contact page, or through the Private Conversation function here on Photrio - @Harman Tech Service is the member name.
To that end, I've turned off the low post number restriction on your access to the Conversation function.

xkaes · Nov 12, 2023

Keith Tapscott. said:
I didn't realise that papers of this size were available. I'm guessing that this is for clients who use ultra large format cameras.

I'm one guy -- and there are others, too -- who has made lots of "murals" -- 6-8 foot prints from 35mm film.

Keith Tapscott. · Nov 12, 2023

The biggest I have enlarged a 35mm negative to is about 12 x 18 inches on a sheet of 16 x 20 Multigrade paper.
That was an FP4 Plus negative processed in D76 1+1.

A 30 x 40 print must look amazing from a large format negative.

Carnie Bob · Nov 13, 2023

Keith Tapscott. said:
The biggest I have enlarged a 35mm negative to is about 12 x 18 inches on a sheet of 16 x 20 Multigrade paper.
That was an FP4 Plus negative processed in D76 1+1.

A 30 x 40 print must look amazing from a large format negative.

Yes they are impressive, I still love the smaller print but we do have clients and myself that occasionally want to go big.

Fatih Ayoglu · Nov 13, 2023

How do you print that big? lateral enlarger?

Carnie Bob · Nov 13, 2023

Fatih Ayoglu said:
How do you print that big? lateral enlarger?

I have an 11 x 14 enlarger with drop table so I can go floor to ceiling , 30 x 40 inch with any size negative, also we make digital negatives for direct contact using a huge sheet of plate glass to make good contact between
paper and film, just put the lens out of focus like doing an 8 x 10 contact sheet.

Fluidphoto · Nov 13, 2023

Might be able to have someone build you a clamshell style papersafe out of sealed masonite or something similar. I made an 8x10 sized one for a design class when I was at Ryerson in the 90s that worked really well.

Carnie Bob · Nov 14, 2023

Fluidphoto said:
Might be able to have someone build you a clamshell style papersafe out of sealed masonite or something similar. I made an 8x10 sized one for a design class when I was at Ryerson in the 90s that worked really well.

yes I am thinking the same, the problem will be that once I cut the paper and its sitting on a shelf, it is holding a couple thousand dollars of paper which means I better make it good the first time, but agree I know people who are
experts on clam shell boxes and may be able to make this for me , using traditional folding methods as well safelight paper over then covered with cloth....

eli griggs · Nov 16, 2023

Fatih Ayoglu said:
How do you print that big? lateral enlarger?

You can tilt several makes of enlarger, small through large format, against a wall, or, if you go fancy, with basically a calibrated white board on a track flush embed into the floor.

I've never seen it done but it might be possible to project the image up to the celling or a fixed white board/easel, from the floor, shelf or enlarging bench though I would suggest this form of easel would be best served by a vacuum easel function and a swing down easel fitted with alined fixed hinges and magnetic holders/points fixed to both the holding frame and easel back, so after the paper is loaded, you can raise up the back of the detachable easel apparatus into its correct position, magnetic points, all being calibrated preset and permanent and then, make your exposure.

Cheers.

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