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  1. MattKing

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    ...just over $2.00 CDN per second. Eastman Kodak retained that relatively tiny (in terms of numbers) business, with mostly specialized and knowledgeable users, as their only involvement in distribution and marketing. All the rest was bought and paid richly for by the original owners of Kodak Alaris.
  2. Alan Edward Klein

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    Fine. If they're so good and profitable, let Eastman issue them as photo films that are distributed by Alaris exclusively. No more cheap photo film made from cheaper stocks of movie film.
  3. Lachlan Young

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    There was a major conversion capacity bottleneck. It couldn't be solved in a timely manner at the profit level at the time. Common sense would suggest that raising prices to the point that market demand adjusts to better match your available conversion capacity would have the effect of...

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    I wasn't trying to stop anything, Alan. Currently I don't buy either film or any colour film. I was merely suggesting what Wolfram's argument led me to think about what degree of harm comes to KA or its new buyers if respooling were to continue. Based on Wolfram's posts it just seemed to me that...
  5. Alan Edward Klein

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    British-owned Kodak Alaris was bought out last summer by very smart and aggressive American investors in Los Angeles near Hollywood. I'm sure they're monitoring sales and will adjust marketing accordingly. I think Eastman Kodak's improvement to manufacturing completed in November might have...
  6. Alan Edward Klein

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    Stop trying to cut corners and buy Eastman Kodak photo film distributed by Alaris. Alaris has a legal right to protect their market. If you don't like how they run their business, buy another brand.

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    ...pressure of KA and terminate these film sales: I am convinced it will be counterproductive for both companies in the mid and long term: Kodak Alaris' very agressive price policy, which is exploiting their de-facto monopoly for standard C-41 color negative film, has dramatic negative influence...

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    Matt, following Wolfram's argument, if KA does not consider it to be worth its while to sell one kind of film then doesn't charging EK to sell said film amount to an unfair market restriction on EK. Is such a market restriction legal? If KA has full control over the sale of the full range...
  9. MattKing

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    ...COVID related disruptions. Eastman Kodak was mostly able to continue operations throughout Covid, other than some furloughing of management and research staff, but the disruptions to the world wide shipping and distribution and retail channels apparently played havoc with Kodak Alaris' business.
  10. Agulliver

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    Have you seen the insane prices of Lomography CN800 lately? It's lovely stuff and if I really wanted to pay £30 for a roll of CN film it would be my first choice for high speed colour photography. Portra 800 just doesn't look good for my purposes (photographing gigs mostly in a small club). What...
  11. Alan Edward Klein

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    MAtt do you have access to the contract? Can it be publicly posted?
  12. MattKing

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    It is the other way around. Eastman Kodak will need to make the request. Kodak Alaris paid hundreds of millions of dollars for their rights, as well as effectively taking over millions and millions of dollars worth of Eastman Kodak's obligations, which together allowed Eastman Kodak to emerge...

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    That's what I'm saying. If Alaris is so concerned about Eastman selling a film that Alaris *doesn't want to handle* then Alaris needs to pipe down and let Eastman sell the film to whoever wants to buy it at whatever price Eastman sets for it, or put up the money to market the film themselves.
  14. MattKing

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    Other way around - Kodak Alaris don't care about the tungsten balanced stuff, so that is where people need to get together and try to convince them to provide the same sort of exception to the contract language that Cinestill benefits from due to the remjet omitted nature of the entire master...

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    ...movie studios. Just like if I was to call up and order a roll of Aerocolor IV, there is a minimum order, no matter who I am. Now, if Kodak Alaris is upset that they're missing out on such a tiny segment of sales that it can't be profitable for Eastman Kodak, then Alaris needs to handle sales...
  16. MattKing

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    This is an entirely valid complaint. It is also where there is likely room for a change in because Kodak Alaris is unlikely to have any interest in tungsten balanced emulsions, because the market for tungsten balanced still film would be incredibly tiny. Approach Cinestill about this - they...
  17. MattKing

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    ...impressed when an article includes multiple spellings for the same name or word. AFAIK, Eastman Kodak wrote a specific exception into Kodak Alaris' contract rights when they re-negotiated their contract recently - the exception that supplies Cinestill with their modified for special purpose...

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    Alaris and Cinestill (I'm sure) have voiced concerns. There's been a bit of a "Wild West" market for this stuff. I think EK is protecting it's brands, and even the consumer from getting mishandled film. I suspect it is also helpful to processing labs to not have unexpected remjet crud. The new...
  19. Alan Edward Klein

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    Kodak Alaris has the exclusive right to sell Eastman Kodak photo film. Alaris's lawyers probably told Eastman to stop selling film for re-spooling or Alaris will sue them. Don't blame Eastman. Their contracts legally bind them.
  20. MattKing

    The return of the Syrup: HC-110 in the water-free version manufactured again

    There was a period of time when Kodak Alaris was contracting for different versions of HC-110, depending on the market that it was being traded into. The EU destined syrupy version was still being made in the EU, while the other version was being made in the USA. As the extreme longevity of...
  21. Ian Grant

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    Who owns or possesses all the old Tetenal recipes now?

    ...and re-bottling it as Rodinal, with labelling the same colour and type style as Agfa. More recently there was the Kodak debacle where Kodak Alaris sold the chemistry rights to Sino Promise, when they pulled out the rights reverted to Eastman Kodak. At some point the trade names of some Kodak...
  22. MattKing

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    Fresh XTOL from PSI and thin Negatives

    For clarity, both of your contacts above were not to Kodak - either Eastman Kodak or Kodak Alaris. One was to Photo Systems, and the other was to Photo Systems' Kodak branded chemicals division - where the contact people are their distributors, Cinestill. Kodak Alaris was the last Kodak direct...

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    Fresh XTOL from PSI and thin Negatives

    Thanks, can I assume that with other developers you can use the film manufacturers' times which do not give thin negs and secondly what problems when printing those thin negatives do the thinner negs give you and finally, are you able to adjust print exposure and /or contrast to produce...

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    Fresh XTOL from PSI and thin Negatives

    ..not sure! Is the XTOL you're using from the recent (PSI) production? First time using XTOL at all. I have used the times from the Kodak Alaris data sheet for the first rolls (one T-Max, Tri-X, HP5 and Delta 400 each), second round I was actually using the longer times published by Ilford...
  25. MattKing

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    Help with developing time Kodak double x

    It matters a whole lot if you own Kodak Alaris, and if you are Eastman Kodak and a party to the contract that exists between Kodak Alaris and Eastman Kodak, which doesn't allow Eastman Kodak to sell Kodak branded still film, or any film intended to be used as still film, to anyone other than...

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    Help with developing time Kodak double x

    Huh? Why does that matter?
  27. MattKing

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    Help with developing time Kodak double x

    Because Kodak Alaris paid a huge amount for and owns the rights to distribute and market Kodak branded still film, and Eastman Kodak is restricted to marketing and distribution of Kodak branded motion picture film.
  28. MattKing

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    6 years after, how is the longevity of the new HC-110?

    They were the actual manufacture for Kodak Alaris (post Tetenal bankruptcy) and then for Sino Promise - at least for the portion of the worldwide product labelled as "Made in USA". And that changed formulation was always designed to give users the same results, when reasonably fresh, as the...
  29. Cholentpot

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    Kodak no longer selling E100D directly to customers?

    back to scrounging for short ends. It's what I've always done.

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    Preserving C41 developer

    I can't help but feel that some of these formulas have some sort of "anti-oxidizing" additive??? I don't know. Seems like my Kodak and Fuji chemistry has a better record (of course this was with the Kodak Alaris China stuff). 🤔 😟😊
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