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  1. Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    Seems like only one new face in the "Corporate office": https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-neyrey-mba-3755802/ President Kodak Alaris · Full-time 7 mos Feb 2025 to Present · 7 mos Atlanta Metropolitan Area · Hybrid
  2. MattKing

    Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    ...out how to do business in an international marketplace in a rapidly changing and crazily unpredictable world. I'm not aware of any changes in management - perhaps others may have seen announcements. AFAIK, Kodak Alaris is still a UK corporation and I'm not aware of any steps taken to change that.
  3. Alan Edward Klein

    Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    One wonders what the new owners of Alaris are doing the last 1 1/2 years since buying them?
  4. 0x001688936CA08

    Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    Agree 100%
  5. dcy

    Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    ...profit margins, even though nobody is forced to buy from them. To try to bring the conversation back to Kodak, I do not wish for Kodak Alaris to just disappear. I wish for Eastman Kodak to be able to choose whichever distributor they want. If Alaris is better at distributing Kodak film than...
  6. 0x001688936CA08

    Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    Yes, Kodak probably doesn't need Alaris - but your three-person company example proves they still need distributors. Someone has to win those wholesale bids and handle actual distribution. I run a modest WHOLESALE platform facilitating ~$250M in sales annually. Sales reps drive the vast...
  7. Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    But they don't have to go to direct sales. They can use existing eCommerce middlemen to be their 1st tier distribution system and they will sell direct or via last mile retailer. The only reason to maintain a direct distribution and sales force is if your product is so specific it needs high...
  8. Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    Transitioning to a direct web sales model would probably be a nightmare for Kodak, and involve far more staff than they currently need for office support and shipping. And even in high volume mode, there could be nightmares in how the product gets handled beyond their control. That kind of...
  9. Steven Lee

    Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    Chuck was correct. The distribution business got fundamentally rebuilt with e-commerce. There are WHOLESALE online marketplaces now where you can list, for example, 5 million boxes of Portra and have distributors bid on them. This is how many US-designed, but chineese-manufactured goods get...
  10. MattKing

    Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    I expect they and Kodak Alaris at least cooperated with a fair bit of testing. Eastman Kodak are, after all, receiving licensing revenue, and the quality of the end user result is highly dependent on the quality of the processing. I don't know whether Eastman Kodak is making control strips for...
  11. Alan Edward Klein

    Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    Coca-Cola isn't a good example because the dealers/distributors are also bottlers that make Coke products locally. Alaris does not produce film. But your point about distributors in general is valid.
  12. 0x001688936CA08

    Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    This fundamentally misunderstands the value of distributors and the complexity of B2B commerce in the real world. Manufacturers and vendors use distributors to avoid things that are not their core business. It's infinitely easier for Kodak in Rochester to focus on making film and stuffing it...
  13. Cholentpot

    Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    If junk film keeps my cameras fed then so be it. We can't all shoot Portra or Tmax. I shoot what I can get my paws on. My '90 Corolla keeps on ticking. The dealer wants a look at it but I don't trust 'em. I think they want it for the showroom.
  14. Alan Edward Klein

    Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    As I've been saying, Alaris just adds one more markup along the way.
  15. Cholentpot

    Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    Just like car dealerships, time to cut that business model out. I want to buy a car straight from Ford or Honda. Same should be for film. Film was in no way $5 a roll in the 80's, maybe on paper but I remember there were always deals, and sales, and cheaper alternatives. $1.99 for the roll and...
  16. Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    Both Eastman Kodak and Kodak Alaris are about much more than film. I wonder if either concurs with the Photrio assessment. I’ll bet not…
  17. Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    None of which are actually needed any longer. The whole world moved to eCommerce mediated sales. Companies like B&H, Freestyle, Amazon, Target, Zoro, Walmart, Sam's Club, eBay, etc. could be used as channels to market and Kodak could run a drop ship warehouse for a whole lot less than what...
  18. Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    Alaris is what remains of Kodak's distribution people.
  19. Cholentpot

    Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    I agree. Kodak needs to be a bit ruthless if they want to extend into the future. Shame about the pensions but Kodak is not a retirement firm. If they continue to be primarily a pension fund they'll cease to exist and film in general will more or less die. Kodak needs to do the 'wrong' thing...
  20. Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    Alaris is a giant anvil around Kodak’s neck; they literally cannot run their business how they see fit. Kodak needs to declare bankruptcy and attempt to get the bankruptcy court to either cut Kodak loose from the Alaris obligation or greatly modify it in Kodak’s favor. Much easier said than...
  21. Cholentpot

    Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    Kodak did it themselves before Alaris was around. Even if they can't dump them they should be able to sell their own line of film domestically. Eastman Films should be a thing. If I want to buy 1000 feet of cine film why can't I just ask Kodak to sell it to me? Alaris is making the mistake of...
  22. Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    Pressing problem, as in offset press 😊 As far as new films, first Eastman Kodak needs to ask their direct customers, Alaris and Cinestill what is needed. I think Alaris was a prime mover for Ektachrome.
  23. retina_restoration

    Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    ...From a previous post: “Continenza added that Eastman Kodak recently renewed its supply agreement for film with its long-term customer, Kodak Alaris, in a deal which will run through 2028. “We are committed to manufacturing film as long as there is demand from the filmmakers and photographers...
  24. Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    Alaris is critical to Kodak. As critical as can be. Global distribution!!!
  25. MattKing

    Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    Kodak Alaris is a lot bigger than the still film manufacturing part of Eastman Kodak, and if Eastman Kodak had to take on the responsibilities that Kodak Alaris fulfills, they would have to expand their hiring and international outreach tremendously. They are two entirely different corporations...
  26. Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    From Aug 2023. “Continenza added that Eastman Kodak recently renewed its supply agreement for film with its long-term customer, Kodak Alaris, in a deal which will run through 2028. “We are committed to manufacturing film as long as there is demand from the filmmakers and photographers...
  27. Cholentpot

    Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    Been saying this for a while. Even to the point of dumping them and going to court. Litigate the whole mess but be free of them. Alaris is holding back Kodak from riding this current film wave.
  28. Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    And exactly why we don't want Alaris to buy out the film division. Kodak needs to find a way to dump Alaris.
  29. Alan Edward Klein

    Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    Alaris was bought out by an aggressive American private equity firm, Kingswood Capital Management in Los Angeles, a couple of years ago. I wonder if they have contacts with Hollywood producers in LA who buy a lot of Kodak film. https://www.kingswood-capital.com/
  30. Alan Edward Klein

    Kodak Warning + Later Clarification

    That's true. Alaris does have other costs. So it's nbot a 100% markup. But I think that the higher cost for Kodak film overall happens because there are makups at manufacturing (Eastman), then Alaris for distribution, then other distributors in some localities, and finally at the retail level...
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