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  1. loccdor

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    This Bodes Bad Things For Film & Papers

    Ah, ok. But perhaps the US one was the only case where Tri-X became cheaper than HP5 (because they were similar enough in price here at the time unlike the rest of the world).

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    This Bodes Bad Things For Film & Papers

    It was a worldwide price reduction, but the discount was perhaps not a full 30% everywhere. The Kodak Alaris or Kodak Professional copy read: "We have implemented a catalogue price reduction on 135 format Kodak Professional Tri-X 400 black & white negative film. Our two 135 format offerings...
  3. runswithsizzers

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    X-TOL, Microphen, or Acufine for long shelf life pushing developers?

    It's funny, when I go to the Fotoimpex page product page for Adox XT-3 and click on this link for "PDF datasheet" it opens the Kodak Alaris Data Sheet J-109 for XTOL. In some places ADOX is saying XT-3 is "better" than XTOL, but in other places, they seem to be saying, "There is no practical...
  4. runswithsizzers

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    X-TOL, Microphen, or Acufine for long shelf life pushing developers?

    Their English website page for XT-3 does say, "with improved storage capacities compared to earlier ascorbic-acid developer recipes." And, "Better keeping properties" compared to "similar working recipes like Xtol, Excel or LegacyPro Eco." However, when we move from the general product...
  5. Prest_400

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    I find quite interesting to browse threads from the late 90s and early 2000s. Usually photo.net. The contemporary sentiments and market war of Kodak vs Fuji, threads like "Kodak vs Fuji films" which may or may not also mention Agfa, Konica and others. I was too young to really participate, but...
  6. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    Maybe Kodak doesn't provide data sheets anymore because we'll be able to tell which films are really the same.
  7. MattKing

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    As I understand it, the Kodak human resources necessary to prepare and maintain datasheets for still films were one of the casualties of the bankruptcy - mostly not retained by Eastman Kodak, and mostly not taken up by Kodak Alaris.
  8. MattKing

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    FWIW, if the Kodak Alaris websites resemble the Eastman Kodak websites, the content one sees will or will have varied depending on the geographic market one views it from. So it may have been the case that ColorPlus 200 or Pro Image 100 will have been seen by some, and not by others. The Kodak...
  9. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    I believe that tension resulted in better cooperation. The new owners of Alaris, an American firm located in California, no longer have to deal with British retirees from Alaris concerned about their pensions.. They can focus on expanding profits and work directly with Eastman, another...
  10. Agulliver

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    Color Plus had the biggest backlog because it was one of the most popular films. I think Gold and Color Plus are 1st and 2nd best sellers, I seem to recall reading. I don't think that Alaris would have chosen Color Plus as one to drop, especially if EK were going to distribute a similar or...
  11. brbo

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    Gone?! Were they ever listed? On which page? I don't remember ColorPlus 200 or Pro Image 100 having a place on Kodak Alaris web pages, ever. Do you have a link to such page (on https://web.archive.org)?

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    It says "Kodak" in the logo.
  13. MattKing

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    See post #66 in this thread, and the internet review linked therein. The edge printing on the film itself says Kodak - not Kodacolor. I still would like to know whether it is on acetate or Estar substrate.

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    The package shown here does not say "Kodak". It might just be possible to sell this film through other channels than Alaris. It is called Kofacolor, and it has the logotype of Eastmn Kodak in it, but not the word "Kodak" anywhere in the film carton shown. Maybe this is a loophole in their...
  15. MattKing

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    I don't know about what sort of shotgun marriages you are familiar with, but the fact that the owners of KA paid hundreds of millions of dollars and relieved Eastman Kodak of many, many, many millions of dollars of employee related obligations is the largest dowry I've ever heard of. No one else...
  16. Cholentpot

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    Next up, Kodak should be able to manufacture white label films for third parties. Out with the old, we're still limiting Kodak based on laws from two generations ago.
  17. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    It seems Alaris and Eastman made a deal as I alluded to earlier. Exactly what the full scope is unknown at this time. To me, it seems they're attacking the low-cost film market. Running the distribution through Alaris is pushing costs too high. I suspect Alaris gets a royalty from Kodak...
  18. Agulliver

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    Well spotted. I just looked at KA's site and was going to report the same! Their "everyday films" are now Gold 200 and Ultramax 400. Color Plus and Pro Image are not to be found there or in the "Color Film" page. That does strongly suggest that Kodacolor 100 is Pro Image, and Kodacolor 200 is...
  19. 0x001688936CA08

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    Yes, and it could still be prohibitively expensive or contractually impossible for Eastman to sell consumer still photography film without Alaris. Waxing ad nauseam about the opportunities for better prices and no middleman are redundant unless the Eastman/Alaris relationship can be dissolved.

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    Kodacolor Brand is Back

    This has been all over YouTube and I imagine other forums for a couple of days as a leak, but today I got an email from freestyle making it official. Kodak has brought the Kodacolor Brand back, and somehow it doesn't seem to be associated with Alaris. The brand is registered by Eastman Kodak...
  21. lamerko

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    This is strange. These two "new" films have appeared on the Kodak website. At the same time, they are not listed on the Alaris website, but Color Plus 200 and ProImage 100 are also gone. My theory is that these two films have been rebranded as Kodacolor and will be distributed by Kodak.
  22. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    The problem is currently, Alaris can mark up the film to whatever they want because Eastman is stuck with them. Of course Eastman is in the same catbird seat as Alaris who is stuck with Eastman's prices. Both of them would try to maximize their profits. This probably accounts for some of the...
  23. 0x001688936CA08

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    That really depends on what it costs to acquire those rights. I suspect it would not result in lower prices of Kodak film.

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    They'll need to hire people around the world.
  25. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    A better deal for us would be if Eastman purchased back their distribution rights on all Kodak film from Alaris. That would eliminate higher distribution costs by eliminating Alaris, another company in the middle. That would lower prices for Kodak films across the board.
  26. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    This also shows that Kingswood Capital Management, the California firm that bought Kodak Alaris a couple of years ago, is in it for the long run. This whole thing might have been their idea. That would bode well for Kodak film being around a long time. Companies aren't investing in new...
  27. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    Didn't someone mention that Eastman is selling these two films only in the US for now?
  28. Agulliver

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    I think we would be wise not to underestimate Kodak Alaris' global distribution capabilities. EK lost all that. It's actually unclear what distribution method(s) they're using for these films.
  29. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    Kodak Alaris may be getting a fee from Eastman for each of these 2 films sold directly by Eastman. It's a way of keeping the price down to about $10 a roll because you're basically eliminating an extra distributor which is just an added, unnecessary cost. It opens the market to just regular...
  30. benderscameracorner

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    Kodacolor 100. New

    That Eastman Kodak is 'able' to sell stills film directly without Alaris' input/blessing, it does make one wonder if there's such a bother over photographers getting their hands on rolls of Vision3 anymore? Either way, I'll reserve my excitement until they start selling Kodacolor in bulk...
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