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  1. markjwyatt

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    Kodak Alaris finally sold to chinese?

    So basically, they have acquired worldwide distribution rights, plus maybe they take over marketing also?

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    Kodak Alaris finally sold to chinese?

    Sino Promise speaks of photochemicals, not of colour photochemicals. Maybe they do not differentiate as the still film busines is insignificant to them. But one should not overlook the different lab situation throughout the world. Here in Europe there are hardly any colour labs, In Germany...
  3. MattKing

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    Kodak Alaris finally sold to chinese?

    Kodak Alaris doesn't do (photographic materials or products) manufacturing. Since selling Harrow a few years ago, Kodak Alaris no longer makes or manufactures the paper, and never made or manufactured any of those other products. Eastman Kodak also hadn't manufactured many of those products for...
  4. markjwyatt

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    Kodak Alaris finally sold to chinese?

    ...than 30 years of hard work in the imaging industry, and after many negotiations, Sino Promise Group formally reached an agreement with Kodak Alaris in June 2020 to acquire the global business of Kodak Alaris's imaging products (Photo Paper, Photochemicals, Display, Software)." "acquire the...
  5. MattKing

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    Kodak Alaris finally sold to chinese?

    Until the sale, a large proportion of Kodak Alaris' business came not from film but rather from supplying photographic labs with colour photographic paper, and colour photochemicals and lab kiosks and related software. It is that business that has been sold - not the still film business. Unless...
  6. MattKing

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    Comment about XTOL in Adox / Lina Bessonova video

    ...problem for a while, and supply shortages after that. Unlike some other Kodak black and white photo chemicals, X-tol is still manufactured in Germany - most likely still by Tetenal. Unlike HC-110 and T-Max developers, there is no "New Formula, same great results!" note on the Kodak Alaris...

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    Kodak Alaris finally sold to chinese?

    I do wonder if this has something to do with the inconsistent pricing of Kodak products in different countries. e.g the UK generally has higher Kodak pricing than Germany or the USA.
  8. MattKing

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    Kodak Alaris finally sold to chinese?

    ...motion picture film. Eastman Kodak has no distribution and marketing rights with respect to any still film - those rights are owned by Kodak Alaris (who were assigned them by the UK Kodak Pension plan - received as part of the Eastman Kodak bankruptcy). If your Ektachrome was movie film, you...
  9. MattKing

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    Kodak Alaris finally sold to chinese?

    Eastman Kodak may not be willing to cooperate to the same extent with Sino Promise. Much of Kodak Alaris is made up of ex-Kodak employees - there are long term business and personal relationships there that Sino Promise may have difficulty replicating.
  10. MattKing

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    Kodak Alaris finally sold to chinese?

    There are two references on the Sino Promise website to Kodak Alaris. The November 1, 2020 announcement about them completing the purchase from Kodak Alaris of that portion of Kodak Alaris' business described as "Kodak Alaris's imaging products (Photo Paper, Photochemicals, Display, Software)."...

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    Kodak Alaris finally sold to chinese?

    They also have production facilities. Anyway, we already had the same discussion about Kodak Alaris and Sino Promise group some months ago: https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/kodak-alaris-deal-with-sino-promise-holdings.176534/
  12. MattKing

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    Kodak Alaris finally sold to chinese?

    Sino Promise Group is a large distributor. If you bought Kodak Alaris products in the past from a retailer, that retailer purchased them from a distributor - quite possibly Sino Promise Group. As their site says "As the world's largest distributor of Kodak imaging products, SinoPromise acquired...

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    Kodak Alaris finally sold to chinese?

    Unless Alaris is giving up on film, which I would not be too shocked about, if it were the case.

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    Kodak Alaris finally sold to chinese?

    Well, on the site of the new owner there is a page dedicated to Kodak Alaris with a variety of Alaris' products, including film, but excluding the whole data business "Actionable Intelligence". Thus from there the whole halide business, being part of the Alaris section "Kodak Moments", seems to...
  15. MattKing

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    Kodak Alaris finally sold to chinese?

    A strangely worded story, as Kodak Alaris owns a number of businesses, which include, but are not limited to, the RA4 paper and (presumably RA4) chemistry business that seems to be the subject of the sale.

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    Kodak Alaris finally sold to chinese?

    https://photobite.uk/the-word/kodak-alaris-sold/

  17. If you were super rich what would you do for analog photography?

    ...(hopefully we can do this again soon) much more convenient. With left-over change, I would buy the film divisions of Eastman Kodak and Kodak Alaris. Unlike others, I would not lower the prices as that could likely drive manufacturers like Harman, Foma, ADOX and Fuji out of business -...
  18. MattKing

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    Multiple Kodak recommendations for T-Max 400 roll film in D-76 1+1

    To be accurate, the old J-78 conflicts with the current F-4043. Kodak Alaris doesn't offer a current J-78.

  19. If you were super rich what would you do for analog photography?

    Well, I've been away. Have just returned from my vacation on Mars. Indeed, it is way too close for my way of seeing life. BTW, in case you get an offer from your travel agent, there is nothing to see. Prospectus I was given is just full of flashy photos, all shot in HDR, and absolutely nothing...

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    Comment about XTOL in Adox / Lina Bessonova video

    I use XTOL almost exclusively. This video doesn’t mean much to me. The FACT is that Kodak Alaris is in turmoil. Whether justified or not, social media, like that of this charming young person, put out all sorts of opinions. Often these opinions are interpreted as fact. I've been using XTOL...

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    Comment about XTOL in Adox / Lina Bessonova video

    The question is surely: can we be sure that Kodak Alaris has not now got its stuff in order? The video makes no specific mention of what is now inferior in the new Xtol compared to the old Xtol. Do those two graphs and the lady's statement indicate for certain that new Xtol is inferior to what...

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    Comment about XTOL in Adox / Lina Bessonova video

    B&H has the Eco Pro in stock, 11.99 free shipping orders over 49 bucks. Problem solved until Kodak Alaris gets their stuff in order. By the way the Legacy product uses Mylar packaging. Pretty darn good package.
  23. MattKing

    If you were super rich what would you do for analog photography?

    ...if you meant "Go disappear somewhere from my wife for a long time until I’m confident they’re on stable ground." :whistling::unsure: You would, of course, have to make purchases from both Eastman Kodak and Kodak Alaris. If you could pick up some of Eastman Chemicals as well, it would work...

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    Kodak 120 film backing problem currently?

    When I complained that Ilford just says the specs/mottling problem is due to environment the film is in after it's out of their hands (or if film is expired), I wasn't saying the problem existed in the film before it left the factory. I understand how the problem could be an interaction between...
  25. MattKing

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    Kodak 120 film backing problem currently?

    ...rolls and have handled in exactly the same way that won't exhibit the problems. I have a bunch of TMax 400 from the problem batches that Kodak Alaris promptly replaced without charge. I use the "problem" rolls for testing and for other interesting projects. Sometimes I see the numbers and...

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    Comment about XTOL in Adox / Lina Bessonova video

    It's possible that also that batch was partly affected. Kodak is still investingating with the chemistry manufacturer, that is a german one.
  27. warden

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    Comment about XTOL in Adox / Lina Bessonova video

    My issue was not from a bad batch identified by Kodak. In fact it was from replacement chemistry sent to my by Alaris after an earlier bad batch problem.
  28. radiant

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    Comment about XTOL in Adox / Lina Bessonova video

    You are claiming something here without showing the proof. Basically you are doing same thing you are criticizng Adox. I would trust Adox on this, we are talking about film manufacturers laborator here..
  29. koraks

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    Comment about XTOL in Adox / Lina Bessonova video

    Your case wouldn't stand a chance in court. Adox didn't say anything about new XTOL being inferior. The only one who said anything normative was the blogger herself, whom as far as we know is not an Adox representative. Even if she is, there's little chance for legal prosecution of one company...
  30. relistan

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    Comment about XTOL in Adox / Lina Bessonova video

    Exactly. Also, Lina Bessanova has been on Youtube for quite awhile, and has a good following, long before she was that close with Adox. IMO Adox have been one of the best and most open companies in the current environment. I do get tired of people always looking for ways to attack one of the...
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